Posted on 05/10/2008 4:07:27 PM PDT by levotb
I've heard from a number of freepers in recent threads telling me, "A vote for a third party candidate is a vote for Obama". In an attempt to FINALLY put that idiocy to rest, I'm devoting this thread solely to that subject.
"Let logic prevail!", I always say. Well, there IS no logic to the above statement IF the voter in question (who has decided to vote third party in '08)
1) is not a registered Republican and
2) was never going to vote for McCain in the first place
Remember 1992, when Republicans (as many of them still do) blamed Ross Perot for GHW Bush's defeat by Bill Clinton? The Republican crybabies got it wrong then and apparently many of them are getting it wrong now, well before the election. They blamed a lot of folks (who were never going to vote for GHW Bush UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES and who weren't registered Republicans) for handing the Presidency to Clinton. How can you in all honesty blame people for your aging candidate's poorly run campaign on those who wanted somebody else? Remember that video of the President fainting at the dinner table of the Japanese Prime Minister prior to the election? Remember his ominous "New World Order" comment in Bush's speeches in 1990 and 1991? Remember his "Read my lips!" lie? Remember how it was being said that Bush "didn't have his heart in running again and it showed"? If you run a lousy campaign and lie to the American people, you deserve to lose! But (Republicans) blaming Perot and those who voted for him is a lot like liberals always blaming crime on anyone BUT the criminal!
Remember how they blamed Pat Buchanan instead of Bob Dole in 1996 for handing Clinton another 4 years? Newt Gingrich and other supposed "conservatives" who pushed NAFTA through for Clinton in 1994 and had betrayed real conservatives in other areas--along with being blamed by the MNM in 1994 for "shutting down the Government"--all of these plus the continued good economy in 1996 AND YET ANOTHER OLD BILLIONAIRE RINO (this one, with one arm) and his liberal idiot sidekick Jack Kemp were the REAL reasons why Clinton won re-election, NOT Pat Buchanan's "pulling Republican voters away from Bush"!
I haven't been a Republican since 1996. Does that mean that 12 years after leaving that party, I'm to blame a McCain loss to Obama in November even though I would never have voted for McCain under ANY circumstances? Of course not!
A case could be made for REGISTERED REPUBLICANS who vote third party in this election having betrayed McCain, but no one else. And even some of them--the more conservative registered Republicans--shouldn't be blamed for voting for a third party candidate as McCain is very simply a pro-war liberal, someone who is diametrically opposed to everything they stand for.
But, don't let "logic" get in the way of any preconceived notions!
Well put Mr Ed.
Conservatives need to stand their ground and not move towards McCain. He knows how to get our vote. all we need to do is wait in order to gain a bigger voice at the table.
Otherwise, I agree. I think we can better defend against a Democrat President then attempt to fight a Republican.
“McCain is very simply a pro-war liberal, someone who is diametrically opposed to everything they stand for. “
Nonsense, McCain supports most conservative ideals. He also supports a few very bad liberal ideas. If you choose to focus on the latter and ignore the former, fine. But McCain is has voted for every conservative judge nominated by a Republican president. He voted agaisnt Bush on Medicare prescription drugs, despite a large senior population in his home state. He has been a consistant supporter of the military, property rights, and has been pro-life. I get sick of anyone who isn’t always conservatively correct being labeled a “liberal” or “socialist”. It’s childish.
No it will be McCain’s fault and no one else.
They may or may not be sincere when they wobble on not immediately pulling the troops.
What does any first term president want? A second term.
Obama and Clinton both know that if they fail on their promise to bring the boys home that they will feel the rath of Move On, George Sorros and the Webroots when reelection time rolls around.
As much as I detest McCain, I am not willing to bet my life or my freedom on a wasted vote for a third party candidate.
I think Newt has sold us out with his support for global warming.
How would you prevent Obama from appointing judges, when the Dems control the Senate?
Bitter Conservatives will be blamed for all time.
Bitcon desertion elected Obama...... that will be the history forever.
Here, here, well said.
Why Third Party Voters Should Not Be Blamed For McCain’s Upcoming Defeat
I think you nailed it........ McCain isn’t going to lose with or without the other than Obama voters. They are only of consequence in their own mind. JMO of course.
If you vote your conscience, why is it considered a waste? What do we get if McCain wins? More of the same old Bush crappola.
McCain and Bush are hardly the same, but if you vote third party, you might as well have saved the gasoline spent going to the polls.
One issue overshadows any position conservative or otherwise McCain holds, amnesty.
When he gets his way, conservatism will be render to the dustbin of history.
He cannot appoint conservative judges because he hates conservatives.
Both of them have stated that we will have to have troops there in to the future.
Democrats will not want to be saddled with the loss.
And are the conservatives around here now single-issue voters? Do we have a litmus test that is an absolute go/no-go? I thought we left that to the DUmmies.
Question: Has McCain *ever* voted against any judge, whether nominated by a Republican president or a Democrat president?
I know he had all praise for Clinton's picks.
McCain has voted to confirm every single conservative judge.
Yeah, he really hates them.
How will you stop McCain from appointing Liberal judges?
How will you stop McCain from raising taxes?
How will you get McCain to build the fence?
I did not desert McCain, he said he didn’t need the conservative vote.
I agree with him.
Be a Maverick in the GOP, go against everything McCain wants.
The war cannot be the only priority, however. If we continue to support abortion, euthanasia, the gay agenda, and other liberal policies we will destroy ourselves more thoroughly than even if the muslims took over. At least they have some values unlike the extreme progressives.
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