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WHY YOU CAN'T BE AN IRAN HAWK AND A RUSSIA DOVE
Institute for the Study of War ^

Posted on 05/19/2024 2:46:10 PM PDT by USA-FRANCE

A Russian victory is an Iranian victory. Moscow and Tehran have formed a military bloc with the aim of defeating the United States and its allies in the Middle East, Europe, and around the world. Russian and Iranian military forces have been fighting alongside one another in Syria for nearly a decade.

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To: Chad C. Mulligan
Now we KNOW you’re a just shill for Moscow. NATO can’t “encroach” on anybody. That’s a Moskovite myth.

Look at a map Chad.   We wouldn't be able to see it with our own eyes if it was a myth.

121 posted on 05/20/2024 10:38:22 AM PDT by higgmeister (In the Shadow of The Big Chicken! )
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To: Chad C. Mulligan
Almost all of them begged to be admitted. Wonder why? Not because some evil Westerners held a gun to their heads, that's for sure.

Wake up and admit that they begged to be admitted for what they could get from Uncle Sugar!   NATO should have been disbanded in 1991 when we won The Cold War.

122 posted on 05/20/2024 10:44:23 AM PDT by higgmeister (In the Shadow of The Big Chicken! )
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To: USA-FRANCE; All
Institute for the Study of War

Nuland no "Intelligence" scum excreting Disinformation for the Zeeper scum Troll farm diet where you're getting fat.

123 posted on 05/20/2024 10:52:02 AM PDT by Navy Patriot (Celebrate Decivilization)
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To: Robert DeLong; USA-FRANCE
The Doink Derp probably doesn't know that President Charles de Gaulle pulled all of his French troops out of NATO.
On June 21, 1966, France made the somewhat shocking move to withdraw its troops from the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO). This decision led by French president Charles de Gaulle complicated relations between the U.S. and Europe amidst clashing American and Communist spheres of influence.

124 posted on 05/20/2024 11:04:38 AM PDT by higgmeister (In the Shadow of The Big Chicken! )
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To: USA-FRANCE; Chad C. Mulligan
“Putin is resurrecting all the worst of the Soviet era evil-doers, including even Felix Dzerzhinsky. Moscow’s intention of subsuming all of Europe to Russian hegemony survives to this day. “

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Well said.
Even Churchill could not have said it any better!

OK you two!   You have outed yourselves.   I had to Google the name Felix Dzerzhinsky to find out that he was an obscure Bolshevik from the Russian Revolution and died in 1926.

I don't give a rat's azz about your petty foreign grudges.   No American would or should know the name Felix Dzerzhinsky.   Stop it! Just stop it!   I don't care about your thousand year grudge.   Even the Hatfields and McCoys get along with each other nowadays.

125 posted on 05/20/2024 11:19:40 AM PDT by higgmeister (In the Shadow of The Big Chicken! )
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To: higgmeister

“George Washington warned our young nation about “foreign entanglements” after he had unpleasant entanglements with the French!

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Do I have to remind you that the American constitution was in large parts copied and pasted from French revolutionary values, practices and theories?


126 posted on 05/20/2024 11:36:47 AM PDT by USA-FRANCE (The only thing needed for Evil to succeed is for good men to do nothing.)
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To: Darksheare

So, Russia’s neighbors were right to want to join NATO? Or not?


127 posted on 05/20/2024 11:40:13 AM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (TANSTAAFL)
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To: gleeaikin
I am proud that my direct ancestors, father and son (my 4th and 3rd great grandfathers) came down from Virginia with Colonel William Campbell's riflemen to fight at the battles of Kings Mountain and Guilford Courthouse.
The Battle of King’s Mountain proved fatal for Major Ferguson as he was shot from his horse and dragged to the Rebel side by his stirrup. When approached for surrender, he pulled his pistol and shot a Patriot Rebel. He was shot eight times by Rebel soldiers and later buried in an unmarked grave.

128 posted on 05/20/2024 11:47:51 AM PDT by higgmeister (In the Shadow of The Big Chicken! )
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To: higgmeister

I had forgotten that as well, to be honest. I just remembered that my dad was mad as a wet hen at de Gaulle. I was totally
not interested in what was going on in the world at that time. It was summer time and time to have fun with the neighborhood kids at the community pool and talking with the girls in their bathing suits. So, for me at that time, it was more of a whatever moment.


129 posted on 05/20/2024 12:01:00 PM PDT by Robert DeLong
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To: MeganC; Robert DeLong

You have won some sort of prize for the longest “straw man” post I’ve yet seen on FR. Congratulations! I’m not even going to explain, because it would go right past you, but others who live in the REAL reality will get it. Toodle-oo.


130 posted on 05/20/2024 12:11:02 PM PDT by Chad C. Mulligan
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To: Chad C. Mulligan

Whatever, idiot who thinks of himself as a genius. Go back to reading your fiction & propaganda.


131 posted on 05/20/2024 12:13:05 PM PDT by Robert DeLong
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To: USA-FRANCE
Do I have to remind you that the American constitution was in large parts copied and pasted from French revolutionary values, practices and theories?

That is a lie.

James Madison began writing the Constitution in early 1787, while preparing for the Constitutional Convention in Philadelphia. Madison was a delegate to the Continental Congress from 1780-83 and 1787-88, and his "Notes of Debates in the Continental Congress" provides information about Congress's activities leading up to the Constitution.
Our Constitution was ratified in 1788 and went into effect in 1789.

Then there is this about the French Constitution.

The French created the first written constitution of France, the Constitution of 1791, during the French Revolution. The National Assembly drafted the constitution throughout 1790, with many committees formed to consider issues related to citizenship, monarchy, and more. The constitution was inspired by Enlightenment political theorists like John Jacques Rousseau and Baron de Montesquieu, as well as the recently drafted United States Constitution. King Louis XVI accepted the constitution in September 1791, ending the absolute monarchy and establishing a constitutional monarchy.
A Comparison of Constitutionalism in France and the United States
The twin traumas of revolution and post-revolutionary turmoil gave birth to new political societies in both the United States and France. New political understandings were embodied in institutional arrangements and in legal conceptions associated with certain foundational texts-the Constitution in the United States and the Code civil in France. As a result, constitutionalism took deep roots in the United States, but did not do so in France. It is only recently, as the political heritage and conceptual categories of the Revolution fade in importance, that ideas usually associated with constitutional government, like judicial review of legislation and the limitation of executive power by courts pursuant to substantive constitutional standards, have begun to make much actual headway in France. The long resistance of French society to constitutional government attests to the perspicacity of Montesquieu and Rousseau who both regarded institutional and legal understandings established at the birth of political societies as formative and difficult, if not impossible, to alter subsequently.276

132 posted on 05/20/2024 12:32:54 PM PDT by higgmeister (In the Shadow of The Big Chicken! )
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To: higgmeister
I had to Google the name Felix Dzerzhinsky to find out that he was an obscure Bolshevik from the Russian Revolution and died in 1926.

If you Gurgled the name you know what his role in the early years of the Communist repression of Russia was. For those who haven't, "Iron Felix" was the Bolshevik founder of the Soviet secret police, first known as Cheka and later as the OGPU, ultimately the KGB.

Not exactly obscure. He carried out the "Red Terror" to destroy all opposition to Lenin, (which was much more than most people know). No-one knows how many people were summarily executed, but it was well over a million. Simultaneously he commanded the Bolshevik genocide against the Cossacks.

This is the guy that Putin is putting back on a pedestal in front of the KGB (now SVR) building in Moscow. A mass murderer. Nice.

133 posted on 05/20/2024 12:45:18 PM PDT by Chad C. Mulligan
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To: Svartalfiar

Well said.


134 posted on 05/20/2024 12:47:16 PM PDT by MeganC (Ruzzians aren't people. )
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To: higgmeister; USA-FRANCE

“It was our Globalist warmongers that pushed NATO up to Russia’s border.”

Yes indeed. I remember as a child hearing about how NATO forces invaded one former Warsaw Pact country after another! The NATO war machine relentlessly bombed the Eastern European countries until one after another they surrendered to NATO domination.

Prague, Warsaw, Budapest, Talinn, they all fell before the unstoppable might of NATO only to be stopped by the brave Russians right on the doorstep of Russia itself!

How the Russians ever managed to stop the mighty armies of NATO as they pushed towards Russia’s borders remains a mystery.

Oh wait? What’s that you say? NATO forces never did any such thing and in fact the former Warsaw Pact countries applied for NATO membership and were politely accepted? No one died? No NATO armies ever ‘pushed up to Russia’s border’?

Then why do you make it out like NATO ‘invaded’ Eastern Europe when in fact Eastern Europe joined NATO?

Hmmm?


135 posted on 05/20/2024 12:54:55 PM PDT by MeganC (Ruzzians aren't people. )
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To: higgmeister
Look at a map Chad.

Where on a map will I see a nation forced or coerced into joining NATO?

136 posted on 05/20/2024 1:02:37 PM PDT by Chad C. Mulligan
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To: higgmeister
I don't give a rat's azz about your petty foreign grudges.

To paraphrase somebody famous: You may not be interested in reality, but reality is interested in you.

137 posted on 05/20/2024 1:06:30 PM PDT by Chad C. Mulligan
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To: Toddsterpatriot

They would have been better off not to considering what our government did in Libya Egypt and trued to do in Syria not to mention the Maidan Coup.

But you still didn’t point out where I said that they were.
Please do so.


138 posted on 05/20/2024 1:49:09 PM PDT by Darksheare (Those who support liberal "Republicans" summarily support every action by same. )
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To: Darksheare

They’d have been better off trusting Russia than NATO?


139 posted on 05/20/2024 2:06:46 PM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (TANSTAAFL)
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To: Toddsterpatriot

“Tryst neither” is the option I stated.
Reading is fundamental.


140 posted on 05/20/2024 2:24:14 PM PDT by Darksheare (Those who support liberal "Republicans" summarily support every action by same. )
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