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To: TopQuark; boltfromblue
invent a higher, more stringent standard than is universal

OK, here we go. Where did I say Israel had to be perfect? What was the higher, more stringent “universal standard” that I “invented.” Please be specific.

apply it to the subject of your hate
show that the subject fails this artificial, often unreachable standard
reach the conclusion that the subject deserved to be hated. ,

I did that huh? ...and tell me TP, when did you stop beating your wife?

Let's see. First, you ascribe to me several premises that I do not hold, and then you use these premises to prove – what else? -- that I "hate" my subject. Such is the typical "rebuttal" from a member of the Amen Corner -- logical fallacies, lies, and the stomach punch all rolled into one. You're laughable.

disturbed that Israel is not living up to the democratic ideals?

No, I am not “disturbed” (nice smear term by the way), and certainly don’t hate anybody. Disgusted would be more accurate.

I am disgusted that Israel and Jews gets away with things that NOBODY else could EVER get away with. That's why my hat's off to Joe Sobran. He has the courage to speak out.

Let's consider the roll call: the USS Liberty massacre, Pollard, AIPAC, 100 billion in US foreign aid to Israel, Israeli spy rings on US soil, Israeli foreknowledge of the 9/11 attacks, the list just goes on and on and on. In the meantime, most American Jews support liberal democrats, and the few conservative Jews that are out there tend to be staunch Zionists that advocate the interests of Israel over the interests of the United States.

Some say that it's improper to criticize Jews (or any other group) as Jews. It is said that it is only permissible to criticize individuals. Yet when Christians organize in their own country to advance a political agenda, we ALWAYS seem to hear about it, usually from the media and Hollywood, both of which are dominated by Jews. Or, to use Billy Graham's phrase, held in a stranglehold.

Suppose Arab Muslims dominated the Isreali media. Suppose we amended the US Constitution along the lines of the Israeli ethnic-religious model, except with white Christians taking the place of Jews.

Would that “disturb” you? If the answer is yes, you are rank hypocrite.

You are disturbed because, just like our own one, their democracy could benefit from perfection?

Again, I am not “disturbed." I am disgusted . I'm sick of the dishonesty on this topic. You can call me all the names you want now.

66 posted on 03/21/2002 6:57:14 PM PST by Blade
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To: Blade
Let's consider the roll call: the USS Liberty massacre, Pollard, AIPAC, 100 billion in US foreign aid to Israel, Israeli spy rings on US soil, Israeli foreknowledge of the 9/11 attacks, the list just goes on and on and on. I cannot help to anyone who lives in a fantasy world.

In the meantime, most American Jews support liberal democrats, That is absolutely correct. This is becasue not only from their terrible European past but also becasue of people like you. I have always said the Republican party has done more for blacks than the Southern Democrats like the Klan memver Byrd, for instance. Yet it is the loud bigots that are allowed to stay within the conservative movement that give us a bad name and scare the minorities away.

the few conservative Jews that are out there tend to be staunch Zionists that advocate the interests of Israel over the interests of the United States. That is one explanation that you have chosen. The other may be: (i) they know right from wrong, and (ii) the live in the real world and know real facts.

68 posted on 03/21/2002 7:30:52 PM PST by TopQuark
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To: Blade
A good response! I have never heard people so willing to smear w/o a logical thought in their minds to do it with. I used to think Jews were intelligent, for no good reason it seems. Well, Einstein's grandson became a carpenter like Jesus at least, an intelligent choice?(^: BTW, you neglected to mention the Communism these people brought to our country, to this day, in fact.
70 posted on 03/21/2002 7:43:44 PM PST by boltfromblue
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