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invent a higher, more stringent standard than is universal

OK, here we go. Where did I say Israel had to be perfect? What was the higher, more stringent “universal standard” that I “invented.” Please be specific.

apply it to the subject of your hate
show that the subject fails this artificial, often unreachable standard
reach the conclusion that the subject deserved to be hated. ,

I did that huh? ...and tell me TP, when did you stop beating your wife?

Let's see. First, you ascribe to me several premises that I do not hold, and then you use these premises to prove – what else? -- that I "hate" my subject. Such is the typical "rebuttal" from a member of the Amen Corner -- logical fallacies, lies, and the stomach punch all rolled into one. You're laughable.

disturbed that Israel is not living up to the democratic ideals?

No, I am not “disturbed” (nice smear term by the way), and certainly don’t hate anybody. Disgusted would be more accurate.

I am disgusted that Israel and Jews gets away with things that NOBODY else could EVER get away with. That's why my hat's off to Joe Sobran. He has the courage to speak out.

Let's consider the roll call: the USS Liberty massacre, Pollard, AIPAC, 100 billion in US foreign aid to Israel, Israeli spy rings on US soil, Israeli foreknowledge of the 9/11 attacks, the list just goes on and on and on. In the meantime, most American Jews support liberal democrats, and the few conservative Jews that are out there tend to be staunch Zionists that advocate the interests of Israel over the interests of the United States.

Some say that it's improper to criticize Jews (or any other group) as Jews. It is said that it is only permissible to criticize individuals. Yet when Christians organize in their own country to advance a political agenda, we ALWAYS seem to hear about it, usually from the media and Hollywood, both of which are dominated by Jews. Or, to use Billy Graham's phrase, held in a stranglehold.

Suppose Arab Muslims dominated the Isreali media. Suppose we amended the US Constitution along the lines of the Israeli ethnic-religious model, except with white Christians taking the place of Jews.

Would that “disturb” you? If the answer is yes, you are rank hypocrite.

You are disturbed because, just like our own one, their democracy could benefit from perfection?

Again, I am not “disturbed." I am disgusted . I'm sick of the dishonesty on this topic. You can call me all the names you want now.

What should Israel do to end the terrorism against it?

Total occupation of the West Bank and Gaza, use of nuclear weapons, whatever it takes -- as long as the US can steer clear of becoming embroiled in Israel's problems, I really don't care.

You're proving Sobran right, and you don't even realize it.

Irrelevant. No Islamic state claims to respect democracy, freedom and rights. Israel, on the other hand, claims to be a democracy that respects freedom and rights, yet Jews enjoy rights and legal protections that are not afforded to Arabs and Christians.

What is your real name?

Ask me that again AFTER you post your real name. Fair?

Sobran makes no distinction between the Isreali civlians- men women and children killed by suicide bombers and those palestinians killed in action by the military of Isreal.

What non-sense. He wrote or implied or such thing.

Do me a favor. Before you go to sleep tonight, drill a hole in the side of your head, and then lay on one side so that the BS will ooze out.

Good grief, going for the invective after just one exchange?

How about discussing the issues. Are Jews inordinately represented in the Media and Hollywood or not?

Am I alone in my feeling that these thread's about an honarable 84(?) year old man, nearing the end of his life, who made a mistake and repented for it, are distasteful and disrespectful?

You're right. Graham probably didn't want the ADL all over him like a pack of rabid animals. So he did what he had to do.

Remember Abraham Foxman's original assessment? In typical ADL fashion, it was unmerciful. Foxman said that Graham was a purveyor of "age-old classical anti-Semitic canards."

Clearly, a tasteful, respectful comment about a man near the end of his life, right?

Such glibness is not only irrelivant, it makes the person claiming it, look much more than simply foolish.

Not as foolish or irrelevant as someone who can't spell irrelevant.

If Jews are immune from criticism, where did you learn of their faults?

Well it certainly wasn't on CNN, MSNBC, or CBS or ABC or in the pages of Time, Newsweek or US News and World Report, although everyone knows these organs criticize the "Christian right" on a regular basis.

The truth is I had never heard of Jonathan Pollard or the USS Liberty until I started reading Free Republic.

I'm sure the same is true for many people.

Jewish control of the major media in the media age makes the enforced silence both paradoxical and paralyzing. Survival in public life requires that you know all about it, but never refer to it. A hypocritical etiquette forces us to pretend that the Jews are powerless victims; and if you don't respect their victimhood, they'll destroy you. It's a phenomenal display not of wickedness relay, but of fierce ethnocentrism, a sort of furtive racial superpatriotism.

As usual, Sobran is right -- Jews constitute a powerful group, yet as a group Jews are immune from criticism. Needless to say, this immunity does not apply to whites, blacks, Arabs, asians, Christians, or Muslims.

It's all so hypocritical it makes me laugh.

as in reparations? hmm?

Exactly. The reparations movement continues to gain steam in the black community despite 35 years of welfare and affirmative action.

Who knows -- reparations could be a reality as soon as the next Democrat assumes the presidency. A Hillary or a Daschle, for example, wouldn't hesitate to push through reparartions.

The next move will no doubt be for the hispanic hate groups to climb aboard and claim that any reparations settlement must also include compensation for the "genocide" inflicted on hispanics during the Mexican American war.

It already happened in Detroit. There were once 1,500,000 whites. Now there are less than 200,000. Many were killed, the rest fled.

True. It's happening in California too. Texas is next on the list. It's sad that so many have chosen to close their minds to the truth.

Such glibness is not only irrelivant, it makes the person claiming it, look much more than simply foolish.

I agree -- your posts do make you look like a fool nopardons.

What we're seeing here is a glimpse into the future that awaits American whites, unless as a nation we put a stop to Third World immigration soon.

David Duke and friends are asking (and recruiting).

Another rote cliche. How typical. You know, in our few brief exchanges, I have come to expect so little of you, and you always deliver.

Your remarks don't matter. The Reverand Graham has done more to bring people to God than you and your Israeli syncophants have done or ever will do.

You have the right to vote for little tommy daschle in 2004.

Why does it matter when Bush is busy implementing Daschle's agenda?

Maybe you'll see that I'm right when GWB signs CFR -- you're dreaming if you think he's not going to do it.

Please DON'T hand the country over to the ArseHoles we had the previous 8 years. Did YOU enjoy that?.............................

There seems to be no real difference -- except with George W. Bush the liberal agenda comes with a Republican at the helm.

GWB couldn't even muster a majority of the popular vote in the last election, and what does he do? Grants amnesty to illegal hispanics to try and court hispanic voters that went 7 to 1 against him in the last election. Good God, what a joke.

Bush will be a one term loser.

Graham spoke of a Jewish "stranglehold" on the media.

What's pathetic about this Graham incident is that people have been so beaten down by political correctness that no one is bothering ask the obvious question.

Namely, why would a man of Graham's stature make such a remark about the Jews?

fundamentalists... good grief...