Posted on 03/27/2020 3:08:35 AM PDT by RArtfulogerDodger
"...In a recent article, I accepted public health stats on ordinary flu and COV, and showed the insane contradictions in numbers and in government containment strategies.
In this article, I take another angle. The CDC has been lying about ordinary flu for decades. So why wouldn’t they continue their fine tradition of lying about COV? Why should you believe ANYTHING they say about COV? Why should you accept their case numbers, their ominous warnings, their insistence on lockdowns which wreck economies?
It’s simple. If a boy shows up at a grocery store the first six days of the week and steals an apple every time, when he shows up on the seventh day, why wouldn’t he steal an apple? And if that boy were the de facto president of the United States—enabling him to impose draconian measures on the population—should you trust him?
The first issue is: how many people in the US die every year from the flu...?"
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No matter the world virus nimbers, the percentage has worked out to 4%!!!!!
“It’s no worse than car crashes!” Every car crash in the country for a year is not happening in NYC right now but it’s close, for the people who are dealing with it.
If you look at the cases that have an outcome, meaning they either recover or die. Only about 60% recover and 40% die. C
China’s numbers don’t reflect the ratio but those can be thrown away for obvious reasons. All the countries with large numbers are having similar outcomes.
Not 60% of all patients, obviously. From what I have gathered it appears to be about one third to one quarter of people who are seriously ill die. This disease is turning out to be about what I anticipated when I aid, “I remember how my first malaria patient impressed me and the Chinese Doctor who recognized it did so after 4 patients. What that tells me is this is new, different, and alarming.” Sounds like my first reaction to malaria.
Blue people. Cytokines storm. From what I am gathering at that stage it is about uniformly fatal. If you look at, let’s say, 100 people who get the disease, the numbers seem to be fluctuating but let’s say 1-2% die. Let’s say another 4% are pretty ill but recover over a period of weeks. 99-96% will recover fairly quickly.
So what role will drugs play here? If we get a drug, one that works, it could potentially save some dying. Maybe even cut it in half. It would be a great thing but compared to the 99% who survive the drugs won’t make a big difference. If it works great it will be meaningful to less than 1/2% of those who get ill.
We have a better way and we are doing it. Don’t get sick. Use your head. Even if we had the drugs that worked, like I have pointed out, they MIGHT make a difference to a fraction of a per cent of cases. Don’t be looking for a drug to end this. It don’t work that way.
If if isn’t a flu virus, then what is the cause?
‘Don’t be looking for a drug to end this. It don’t work that way.’
I agree a drug at this point is incidental...my question to you is this...how exactly does it work? are you suggesting indeterminate lockdown, one in abject communal fear forbids those living in a beach community from even strolling along the goddam beach...?
All we have to do is stop the transmission. Most people understand that, at this point, I imagine. Don’t touch surfaces. If you do immediately clean your hands. Don’t touch you face, especially your nose. If you have to touch you nose wash before AND after. You could have it and not know.
If we can shut it down many of us will make it through. If we fail a whole bunch of people won’t. Drugs are trivial. People have been “brainwashed” by HIV to believe “all we need is a pill”. It was foolish to allow that kind of retardation to persist. Now we are paying the price.
That’s the problem with dishonesty. Your word and YOU, are worthless forever.
Got that, Hillary?
‘All we have to do is stop the transmission.’
again, are you suggesting the optimal way to achieve the above is to continue the unconstitutional lockdown assaults on personal lives...? because I must say, these are intolerable and cannot last much longer without conflict of some sort...
Yes, or many, many more people will die. This is a viral epidemic and the virus IS lethal.
If your hospital is not melting down right now be grateful.
Influenza is the term assigned to attack by certain rhino-viruses. Both rhino-virus and corona-virus are viruses, they depend on a host to replicate themselves.
Rhino-viruses are relatively simple. The RNA they replicate is shorter, and the container has a different shape, and different binding points to attach to cells in the host.
Even if the two viruses cause the same symptoms, a test for flu won't show presence of corona, and a test for corona won't show presence of flu.
CDC estimates that influenza has resulted in between 9 million - 45 million illnesses, between 140,000 - 810,000 hospitalizations and between 12,000 - 61,000 deaths annually since 2010.
There are a lot of garden variety virus that may not show up on an influenza test. We do a multiviral panel of some nearly 30 viruses when we test in hospital now which include the various influenzas. Where I work we’ve had type a and type b flu’s show up but we’ve had quite a bit of human metapneumovirus that is making a lot of seniors sick and is very transmittable to health care workers so we do droplate precautions. The virus makes people susceptible to bacteria that love to pour in after the fact. A person can go into general sepsis, organ failure and pneumonia very quickly especially if you are older.
The article is very narrow in scope focusing on the flu but there are other viruses that can give you a flu like illness and make one quite sick. That’s why the multipanel viral tests are important. Let’s not for get mono and hepatitis B as well.
I read the article.
Flu is diagnosed clinically. If you have the symptoms, you have the flu.
The tests are going to return false negatives due to many factors, the main one being you have to know the exact sequence of the pathogen you are looking for, which is hard when a) things change (mutate), and b) there are many varieties that have not yet been characterized. “Flu” is a whole cachet of different viruses.
What I got from this article is not that the CDC is lying about the spread or incidence of the disease. (If you look at CDC’s flu stats they clearly say incidence of “influenza like illnesses” - ILI’s).
What I got is that our testing could be vastly improved. This is not a trivial task.
We can’t rely just on positive tests to control infections.
If you look at the cases that have an outcome, meaning they either recover or die. Only about 60% recover and 40% die. C
It is a real number, but it is only part of the equation.
Using the *arc* of this ratio, it was possible to view China’s number and see they would end up around 4%, while the deaths/resolved was still over 20%, and the deaths/cases calculation (which never represented more than a lower bound) was about 1.2%.
Likewise, you could tell that what appear to be more honest, open, and comprehensively tested countries like South Korea were not going to end up with the 0.6% or lower shown by using the case/fatalities before the average time to die was reached for the majority of the infected.
The deaths/cases calculations are low earlier on predominantly because the disease is spreading quickly, and thus never really represent the mortality rate - even moreso with a disease which does not heavily tend to kill immediately after it becomes symptomatic. With the Wuhan Coronavirus, this is about 2 weeks from symptoms to death on average but can be up to 6 weeks. Later on, after more than about a third of the cases are resolved, the deaths/cases begins rising quite notably, as this portion of resolution can only be reached when the conditions improve and the disease spread is brought to a halt. During this time, people are still dying, and are doing so at a faster rate than new cases dilute the numbers.
The numbers are also altered when the medical system breaks down under rapid spread and there become a large number of infected that stays ahead of the testing. This may be the case in Italy, and in the NYC area. This is not to say that the numbers are anywhere near 1,000 to 1, as has often been stated in order to hand-wave results to their liking, but it is a notable number.
Studies have shown that the unknown cases before a breakdown have likely been as much as 1/6th to 1/2 the known cases despite targeted testing, isolation, and tracing where the disease continues rapid spread.
There is a study of cases in China which models that the unknown cases appeared to be 6 times the known cases during the period the Chinese government was pretending there was no human-human transmission and no lockdown. The same study shows that within two weeks the unknown cases were reduced to about 35% of the total actual cases.
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