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In Search of the Real Troy
Saudi Aramco World ^ | January/February 2005 Volume 56, Number 1 | Graham Chandler, Photographed by Ergun Cagata

Posted on 02/20/2005 2:33:23 PM PST by SunkenCiv

It was then that Swiss scholar Emil Forrer deciphered newly discovered writings from the Hittite Empire to the east, finding two place-names—Wilusa and Taruisa—that sounded convincingly like the Hittite way of writing "Wilios" (the Greek name for the site was "Ilion") and "Troia" (Troy). He also found a treaty, from the early 13th century BC, between the Hittite king Muwatalli and a king of "Wilusa" named Alaksandu. The king’s name, Forrer added, recalls the name of the Trojan prince Alexander—called Paris in Homer’s Iliad. Critics pooh-poohed, conceding that a place named Wilusa may have existed, but where was it on the map? For decades the question remained unanswered. Then, in the mid-1980’s, new pieces of text were discovered: a letter from Hittite king Manapa-Tarhunda that narrowed Troy’s location to the Troad. It also became clear from other Hittite texts that Wilusa was attacked repeatedly by "Ahhiyawans," thought to have been Mycenean Greeks, in the 13th century BC.

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from an earlier, related topic, different source:
Was There a Trojan War?
by Manfred Korfmann
Archaeology
May/June 2004
Posted on 07/29/2004 11:43:38 PM PDT by SunkenCiv
A spectacular result of the new excavations has been the verification of the existence of a lower settlement from the seventeenth to the early twelfth centuries B.C. (Troy levels VI/VIIa) outside and south and east of the citadel. As magnetometer surveys and seven excavations undertaken since 1993 have shown, this lower city was surrounded at least in the thirteenth century by an impressive U-shaped fortification ditch, approximately eleven and a half feet wide and six and a half feet deep, hewn into the limestone bedrock. Conclusions about the existence and quality of buildings within the confines of the ditch have been drawn on the basis of several trial trenches and excavations, some of them covering a very large surface area. The layout of the city was confirmed by an intensive and systematic pottery survey in 2003. We have also discovered a cemetery outside the ditch to the south. The most recent excavations have determined that Troy, which now covers about seventy-five acres, is about fifteen times larger than previously thought.


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1 posted on 02/20/2005 2:33:27 PM PST by SunkenCiv
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2 posted on 02/20/2005 2:34:11 PM PST by SunkenCiv ("Are you an over due book? Because you've got FINE written all over you!")
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In Search of the Trojan War by Michael Wood

3 posted on 02/20/2005 2:55:38 PM PST by SunkenCiv ("Are you an over due book? Because you've got FINE written all over you!")
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To: SunkenCiv

*L* What a tagline! Let us know if that works for you.

On topic, yesterday I was told that if Helen of Troy's face could launch a thousand ships, mine could launch 10,000.
Ha! As if a sea voyage would be sufficient escape from my haunting visage!


4 posted on 02/20/2005 3:23:42 PM PST by ValerieUSA
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To: SunkenCiv

On one of the Troia Project’s maps of the excavations, the size of the yellow circles indicates relative concentrations of Bronze Age surface finds. The known defensive walls of the city are in red.

5 posted on 02/20/2005 3:24:05 PM PST by blam
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To: SunkenCiv

"Troy" the movie is now playing on our PPV satellite. I trust it is of no historical value and not worth watching for that reason alone. Forget the actors...


6 posted on 02/20/2005 4:33:10 PM PST by quantim (Victory is not relative, it is absolute.)
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To: ValerieUSA

Your visage is pretty haunting.

A lot of people don't know, but her last name was "Back".


7 posted on 02/20/2005 6:06:48 PM PST by SunkenCiv ("Are you an over due book? Because you've got FINE written all over you!")
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To: blam

One of the oddities in the article was that "Part of the controversy over both Schliemann’s and Blegen’s ideas was that, until the 1930’s, there was scant knowledge of adjacent Anatolian civilizations; there were no written references to Troy from the Late Bronze Age. It was then that Swiss scholar Emil Forrer deciphered newly discovered writings from the Hittite Empire to the east."

Blegen did start his excavations in 1932 (1932-1938), but Forrer announced his finding of obvious references to Mycenaean Greece in 1936. Obviously, such references should be expected, not rejected.

FWIW, I disagree with Blegen's view that VIIa was "the" city, agreeing with Dorpfeld that VI was it.


8 posted on 02/20/2005 6:14:03 PM PST by SunkenCiv ("Are you an over due book? Because you've got FINE written all over you!")
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To: quantim

Nice that it was shot in Turkey, but sadly, it cost Brad and Jennifer their marriage.

[long pause]

Boo-freakin'-hoo.


9 posted on 02/20/2005 6:15:36 PM PST by SunkenCiv ("Are you an over due book? Because you've got FINE written all over you!")
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To: SunkenCiv

Thank you !


10 posted on 02/21/2005 9:03:31 AM PST by Dustbunny (The only good terrorist is a dead terrorist)
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You're most welcome. :')


11 posted on 02/21/2005 10:05:55 PM PST by SunkenCiv (last updated my FreeRepublic profile on Sunday, February 20, 2005.)
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To: SunkenCiv

Gee, Clive Cussler thinks that Troy was actually in Gaul and the principals were Celts fighting over tin...


12 posted on 02/22/2005 6:38:44 AM PST by Little Ray (I'm a reactionary, hirsute, gun-owning, knuckle dragging, Christian Neanderthal and proud of it!)
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To: ZellsBells

That was Rome.


14 posted on 02/22/2005 8:53:37 AM PST by justshutupandtakeit (Public Enemy #1, the RATmedia.)
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To: justshutupandtakeit

Hollywood's fault.


16 posted on 02/22/2005 9:14:14 AM PST by SunkenCiv (last updated my FreeRepublic profile on Sunday, February 20, 2005.)
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To: Little Ray

There's also Edo Nyland, who sez the Odyssey actually was a story borrowed from NW Europe, and the actual events took place along the coast of (I think it was) Scotland. :')

Was There a Trojan War?
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1181498/posts


17 posted on 02/22/2005 9:16:06 AM PST by SunkenCiv (last updated my FreeRepublic profile on Sunday, February 20, 2005.)
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To: ZellsBells

Don't forget the role of the Scorpion King.


18 posted on 02/22/2005 9:17:40 AM PST by justshutupandtakeit (Public Enemy #1, the RATmedia.)
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just a bump, haven't read this book, found it via search (see next message):

Collapse Of The Bronze Age by Manuel Robbins

19 posted on 04/18/2005 9:57:40 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (FR profiled updated Monday, April 11, 2005. Fewer graphics, faster loading.)
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trojan horse siege engine:
Google

20 posted on 04/18/2005 10:01:03 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (FR profiled updated Monday, April 11, 2005. Fewer graphics, faster loading.)
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