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The EmDrive Just Won't Die
Popular Mechanics ^ | 11 Sept 2020 | DAVID HAMBLING

Posted on 09/12/2020 1:33:14 PM PDT by DUMBGRUNT

More than 20 years after its introduction, the EmDrive is still being tested in labs around the world, including DARPA. But the controversial thruster's do-or-die moment is quickly approaching.

“We can also get an unmanned probe to Proxima Centauri in a (long) human lifetime, 90 years.”

The original EmDrive, built by Roger Shawyer in 1998, is a sealed copper tube (pictured above) wider at one end than the other. According to Shawyer, if you bounce microwaves around inside the tube, they exert more force in one direction than the other, creating a net thrust without the need for any propellant.

Critics believe that the experimental results must be wrong while McCulloch believes we just don't understand the physics yet.

This is why most critics don't take the EmDrive seriously, and some mock it with comments about ‘magic space unicorns’ providing thrust, or ‘EmDrive, more like BS Drive.’

(Excerpt) Read more at popularmechanics.com ...


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All this fuss is simply part of a quest for more grant funds.

Sumply stick with the tried and true, proven technology. The radiometer! Scale it up, multiple drives... May have to harden the glass to protect from meteor strikes and Chinese missile attacks...

1 posted on 09/12/2020 1:33:14 PM PDT by DUMBGRUNT
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2 posted on 09/12/2020 1:33:42 PM PDT by DUMBGRUNT ("The enemy has overrun us. We are blowing up everything. Vive la France!"Dien Bien Phu last message.)
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Heck yeah, the radiometer! You could put propellers on your space ships and not have to use rockets. Well, I’m off to the Patent Office...


3 posted on 09/12/2020 1:37:08 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: DUMBGRUNT

I think the EM drive is circling around a problem being solved, but I don’t think it is there yet.


4 posted on 09/12/2020 1:38:13 PM PDT by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is thp at they are both death cults.)
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How I feel about the EmDrive is summed up in the words of Dr. Timothy Ferris, who said in his wonderful video The Creation of the Universe,: "it is extremely unlikely, but on the other hand it only has to happen once."
5 posted on 09/12/2020 1:42:55 PM PDT by Steely Tom ([Seth Rich] == [the Democrats' John Dean])
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To: DUMBGRUNT

As a reminder, we could make flying machines 30+ years before they arrived at the correct reason that heavier than air could fly. It was the same argument.


6 posted on 09/12/2020 1:43:38 PM PDT by BereanBrain (qu)
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7 posted on 09/12/2020 1:45:25 PM PDT by Bratch (If liberty means anything at all, it means the right to tell people what they do not want to hear.)
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90 years to Alpha Centauri?

"Starchips" can get there in 20 years, and don't require questionable physics.

8 posted on 09/12/2020 1:58:16 PM PDT by null and void (The Left weaponizes everything in the service of tyranny.)
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Thanks for the post.

Once upon a time the hydrogen bomb was a surprise


9 posted on 09/12/2020 1:58:19 PM PDT by jcon40 (The other post before yours really nails it for me. IOr keep people from / PC ing in ver and alway)
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Not trying to start anything.

But Bernoulli predates the Wright brothers by about two hundred years? Kind of settled science.

So you are suggesting that the Wright bros were unfamiliar with Bernoulli’s principle?

Maybe they clammed up for fear of Bernoulli’s descendants and a lawsuit?


10 posted on 09/12/2020 2:00:07 PM PDT by DUMBGRUNT ("The enemy has overrun us. We are blowing up everything. Vive la France!"Dien Bien Phu last message.)
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It’s easy to prove these day. Build it into a cubesat and get SpaceX to launch it for you.


11 posted on 09/12/2020 2:01:31 PM PDT by ClayinVA ("Those who don't remember history are doomed to repeat it")
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90 years to Alpha Centauri?
“Starchips” can get there in 20 years,

But I’m happy on the third rock in from the sun?


12 posted on 09/12/2020 2:02:55 PM PDT by DUMBGRUNT ("The enemy has overrun us. We are blowing up everything. Vive la France!"Dien Bien Phu last message.)
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Its a microwave rocket. Set it on “Baked Potato” for Mars orbit.


13 posted on 09/12/2020 2:12:03 PM PDT by Delta 21
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Its a microwave rocket.
Set it on “Baked Potato” for Mars orbit.

But that might slow it down?

No free energy, never!

Maybe you could warm your lunch over the power supply for the magnetron.

And cold C-rats never killed anyone.
Not counting the pork and little MFers.


14 posted on 09/12/2020 2:19:05 PM PDT by DUMBGRUNT ("The enemy has overrun us. We are blowing up everything. Vive la France!"Dien Bien Phu last message.)
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Gravity still IS. We can describe the effects and predicted forces and have mathematical theories that get the right answers but we still don’t really understand the essential mechanisms without using mystic terms such as “curved spacetime” and other hermetic angels-on-the-head-of-a-pin pseudo understanding.


15 posted on 09/12/2020 2:22:29 PM PDT by epluribus_2 (He, had the best mom - ever.)
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The Planetary Society in Pasadena, California, has a cubesat in orbit right now with a solar sail. Which is the spaceship version of the spinny radiometers of our youth.
16 posted on 09/12/2020 2:24:02 PM PDT by absalom01 (You should do your duty in all things. You cannot do more, and you should never wish to do less.)
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Sign me up for stocks on the Epstein Drive.
/The Expanse reference


17 posted on 09/12/2020 2:33:45 PM PDT by RandallFlagg (Fact: Gun control laws kill innocents.)
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But Bernoulli predates the Wright brothers by about two hundred years? Kind of settled science.

Bernoulli's principle is only a very small part of what it takes to build a working flying machine.

18 posted on 09/12/2020 2:34:40 PM PDT by Ol' Dan Tucker (For 'tis the sport to have the engineer hoist with his own petard., -- Hamlet, Act 3, Scene 4)
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It killed itself !


19 posted on 09/12/2020 2:36:23 PM PDT by Reily
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Starchips weigh about 5 grams, that’s roughtly the weight of that nickel in your pocket.

That’s much more of a diet than I’m willing to do!


20 posted on 09/12/2020 2:52:05 PM PDT by null and void (The Left weaponizes everything in the service of tyranny.)
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