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If Supreme Court Ties?
20 Sept 2020

Posted on 09/20/2020 9:34:44 AM PDT by rey

If the senate does not seat another justice on the supreme court and there is another contested election and the court splits evenly on who should be president, does the speaker of the house take over?


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1 posted on 09/20/2020 9:34:44 AM PDT by rey
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The USSC decides legal issues.

They do not ‘pick’ the president.


2 posted on 09/20/2020 9:37:28 AM PDT by TexasGator (Z1z)
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To: rey

I thought a SC tie means the lower court ruling stands.


3 posted on 09/20/2020 9:38:07 AM PDT by plain talk
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The House would select POTUS


4 posted on 09/20/2020 9:38:23 AM PDT by newzjunkey (Vote Giant Meteor in 2020)
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There no doubt will be legal issues that will have to be settled. 4-4 is just a recipe for disaster.


5 posted on 09/20/2020 9:39:34 AM PDT by fhayek
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To: rey
It shouldn't happen.

Contested elections are at the state level. If a state lets it drag on for too long, there are one of two possibilities:

  1. The state legislatures step in and asserts its Article II Section 1 power and selects the Electors directly.
  2. The states fail to appoint Electors and they don't participate in the Electoral College. The 12th amendment says that a majority of "appointed" electors is needed to win the Presidency. Pennsylvania's 20 Electors and Michigan's 16 Electors will be un-appointed, lowering the majority to win from 270 to 252.

There is nothing for a court to do. The Electors will either be there or not; the Electoral College will Constitutionally function with or without them.

In Florida in 2000, the election hadn't progressed to the contested part because the results weren't certified when SCOTUS stepped in to stop the unconstitutional partial recount. The Florida legislature was ready to intervene with option #1 above when the court stopped the recount.

-PJ

6 posted on 09/20/2020 9:39:35 AM PDT by Political Junkie Too (Freedom of the press is the People's right to publish, not CNN's right to the 1st question.)
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To: plain talk
In the case of an election for President, there might not be a lower court ruling. The case might go directly to SCOTUS.

-PJ

7 posted on 09/20/2020 9:40:21 AM PDT by Political Junkie Too (Freedom of the press is the People's right to publish, not CNN's right to the 1st question.)
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To: rey

In general when the Supreme Court cannot come to a decision, the lower court’s ruling stands..


8 posted on 09/20/2020 9:41:22 AM PDT by fireman15
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To: rey
This article tries to address that issue but ultimately fails...

Here's How The Supreme Court Will Function With Eight Justices Leading Up To The Election, by Zoe Tillman, BuzzFeed News, September 18, 2020.

In summary, it says the court will try hard to avoid a tie, that there are five conservative justices and three liberal justices, but Roberts isn't always a reliable conservative vote. In ordinary cases, they can postpone a decision until the ninth justice is seated. But it dodges the central question.

One particular item of note: "...there are more than 300 election-related cases pending in state and federal courts."

9 posted on 09/20/2020 9:43:41 AM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom ("And oft conducted by historic truth, We tread the long extent of backward time.")
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To: TexasGator

I realize the Supreme Court does not choose the president but they essentially did in Gore v. Bush. That is the situation I refer to.

Almost no matter the election result, it is going before the court and a split court is a mess.


10 posted on 09/20/2020 9:44:03 AM PDT by rey
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I wouldn’t assume that whoever Trump appoints, if someone ends up getting appointed, will automatically rule in favor of Trump including in election matters. We have seen cases where Trump judges go out of their way to show how “unbiased” they are. That could well be the case with the newest justice too, especially if she goes through an acrimonious process.


11 posted on 09/20/2020 9:47:02 AM PDT by libh8er
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One thing is sure - one sees almost no talk of a “Trump landslide” any more. It seems this board in 2020 is more sober-minded and realistic of Trump’s chances than it was in 2008 of McCain’s chances.


12 posted on 09/20/2020 9:52:10 AM PDT by nwrep
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

Roberts is compromised/blackmailed. If his handlers don’t care about a case he can vote conservative. If they care, and they absolutely would in this case, he’d side with the liberals.

He should resign.


13 posted on 09/20/2020 9:57:06 AM PDT by GeorgiaDawg32 (November 2020 I will be bathing in liberal tears..)
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To: Political Junkie Too

“SCOTUS stepped in to stop the unconstitutional partial recount”

Which is going to happen again this time around only on steroids. I will be surprised if there is only one state where SCOTUS will need to step in and stop some Florida-type shenanigans.


14 posted on 09/20/2020 10:01:13 AM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom ("And oft conducted by historic truth, We tread the long extent of backward time.")
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To: newzjunkey
The House would select POTUS

Which House? The current 116th Congress or the incoming 117th?

15 posted on 09/20/2020 10:06:58 AM PDT by Fiji Hill
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To: rey

Oh, this won’t happen! After all, the GOP has made the majority of the appointments of the sitting justices - starting with that stalwart of conservative readings of our Constitution, Chief Justice Roberts.


16 posted on 09/20/2020 10:06:58 AM PDT by oldplayer
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At this early point, It looks like The President will nominate someone who can get appointed quickly, someone who has recently been appointed to a federal position by this same senate, for instance, and any republican senator who will not vote the same way will be in fact trying to throw this nation-saving election to the despotic Harris and company. That would be a spot too tough to get out of for the perpetual Trump-underestimating Romney

Another obvious point to consider is Trump is not a wimpy republican. He will not in any way attempt to appease the left. He will nominate someone this week.


17 posted on 09/20/2020 10:07:36 AM PDT by stanne
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To: TexasGator

“ The USSC decides legal issues.

They do not ‘pick’ the president.“

The democrats have manipulated that


18 posted on 09/20/2020 10:09:02 AM PDT by stanne
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To: rey

If it’s 4-4, then Al Gore becomes acting president.


19 posted on 09/20/2020 10:12:33 AM PDT by campaignPete R-CT (Committee to Re-Elect the President ( CREEP ))
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"I realize the Supreme Court does not choose the president but they essentially did in Gore v. Bush. That is the situation I refer to."

Not really. Bush had already been declared the winner. Gore's suit was over his wanting to hand-pick two or three counties in Florida favorable to him, in which to conduct recounts, to see if he could get enough new votes to change the result of the election. The Supreme Court's decision ended the recounts that had been going on, and Bush's victory was upheld. You can't hand an election to someone who has already won it legitimately.

20 posted on 09/20/2020 10:13:15 AM PDT by mass55th ("Courage is being scared to death, but saddling up anyway." ~~ John Wayne)
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