The Real Srebrenica Massacre

4International ^ | January 11, 2010 | John Peter Maher, Ph.D.

[eleni121]

The lies that some people believe...always ready to swallow anything that destruction of Christians in the Balkans at the hands of the neo nazi muslims and their vampire friends - in the State Dept. and other kafkaesque holes.

[FormerLib]

The Serbs acknowledge the defeated the Jihadists in a running gun battle.

Nice try, rooster.

[FormerLib]

I see you still link to Soros-funded propaganda sites for 'facts,' eh dupat?

[getoffmylawn]

The Srebrenica Hoax was concocted as a smoke screen to cover up Operation Storm. At the same time Operation Storm was taking place, the main stream media was peppering us with the false genocide stories attached to the liberation of Srebrenica.

A few weeks later a small blip about Operation Storm appeared on page 14 of the New York times. Operation Storm could not be allowed to be the lead story out of the Balkans because the US government was connected to Operation Storm, and Operation Storm could arguably be a better example of "genocide" than anything that happened in Srebrenica.

[dangus]

There certainly were war crimes and ethnic cleansing in Croatia, but the Serbs claim 1,200 civilian casualties. The Croats claim there were only 120. And from what I read, the discrepancy is more in characterizing what’s a civilian, not how many casualties. That’s compared to 8,000 dead in Srebrenica.

If you’re arguing people didn’t know about Operation Storm, you’re just kidding yourself.

[getoffmylawn]

I never said anything about people not knowing about Operation Storm, but the ethnic cleansing of 200,000 Serbs from their ancestral homes in Croatia was just a blip on page 14 of the New York Times. Meanwhile the entire mainstream media was awash with the fake Srebrenica massacre stories.

Also, it wasn't 8000 summary executions in Srebrenica at the time. That's another one of those magic growing numbers of dead the Bosnian Muslim's PR company was so adept at changing as the mood struck them.

[dangus]

Yeah... the number grew as the mass graves were discovered.

[getoffmylawn]

Which mass graves?

http://www.ocf.berkeley.edu/~bip/docs/kosovo_polje/srebrenica_hoax_b.html

[dangus]

1998? It’s 2010 and you post an article from 1998 which says that most of the bodies have *yet* to be discovered?

Hey, I admitted already that my main source is Wikipedia, so I’m open to the notion that there may be alternate versions of the story. But when you post a 1998 article to dispute the findings of mass graves discovered as late as 2006... that’s just not very impressive.

[LjubivojeRadosavljevic]

I'm just saying that there are two sides to any story, and reasonable men can disagree.

Really?...I'm wondering.

[getoffmylawn]

Again... Which mass graves?

[getoffmylawn]

http://www.srebrenica-report.com/conclusions.htm

[getoffmylawn]

Here's another interesting article...

http://srpska-mreza.com/Bosnia/Srebrenica/Branco.html

I'm not trying to be a smart ass, or prove you wrong. I'm also very interested in learning about what REALLY happened at Srebrenica.

As far as I can tell so far, there appears to have been some summary executions. I'm guessing about 600 Bosnian Muslim men were taken out this way. The rest of the Muslim men killed appear to have been killed as they retreated with the Bosnian Muslim army and tried to fight their way to Tuzla. Most of 'em didn't make it. C'est la guerre.

[Hoplite]

THE EVENTS IN AND AROUND SREBRENICA BETWEEN 10th AND 19th JULY 1995

Your guesses are irrelevant. There were more than 1,000 from Potocari (not captured from the column trying to escape) who were executed. C'est la vie.

As far as your ignorance regarding mass graves, the Commission which released the linked report released the location of 32 as of then undiscovered Srebrenica related mass graves, which have been exhumed starting in 2004. Exhumations of Srebrenica related mass graves continue through the present, having reached a total of 80 thus far.

But don't you let any such words as "incontrovertible" or "overwhelming" get in your way when trying to argue against the evidence surrounding Srebrenica. It's been a form of IQ test for some time, which some, like you, are destined to perpetually fail.

[getoffmylawn]

Go away. I don’t read your crap. You have proven you have zero integrity years ago. Your posts are worthless.

[Hoplite]

Truth will come to light;
murder cannot be hid long;
a man's son may,
but in the end truth will out.

Your impotent anger is wasted on me, getoffmylawn. The truth of Srebrenica is out, and it is beyond the limited means of one such as yourself to challenge, much less change.

[LjubivojeRadosavljevic]

Your impotent anger is wasted on me,...

Really?....

Well, why don't we just get down to brass tacks here, Hoplite.

That is, in the final analysis, Hoplite, the problem with you (and that others have with you in this forum) is that it is not so much whether you are "right or wrong" on any given subject matter.

Rather, it's your Attitude....That's Your Problem.

Do you get it?

[Ravnagora]

Professor Peter Maher is a welcome and necessary antidote to the mythology of Srebrenica.

Another antidote is an important book that came out in 2009 and should be read by anyone who cares about Balkan issues and beyond.

First Do No Harm: Humanitarian Intervention and the Destruction of Yugoslavia

By David N. Gibbs

Vanderbilt University Press, Nashville, TN 2009

Available at Amazon and Barnes and Noble

*****

This book, First Do No Harm: Humanitarian Intervention and the Destruction of Yugoslavia, given to me by a friend, is one of the best, if not the best, written on the subject of the mess that was created in the former Yugoslavia in the 1990s into the present. Personally, I believe that U.S. military intervention is, and has been, appropriate in certain circumstances and is justified. Military intervention in the former Yugoslavia, however, was a huge "mistake" for a number of reasons, the primary one being that it was done under the false pretenses of "humanitarianism" at the expense of the Serbs. The West, unfortunately, took the side of the bad guys against the good guys. It will be a while before all the "Truths" come out about what really happened in the former Yugoslavia from 1989 through 2009 and beyond, but this important book by David Gibbs is an essential part of that process.

Although Gibbs repeats and holds fast to some of the disinformation and myths regarding alleged Serbian "crimes" in the former Yugoslavia, to his great credit he is far better than most in being willing and able to cut through all the lies that have pervaded the analysis of what went on in the Balkans in the last two decades. I highly recommend this book, "First Do No Harm: Humanitarian Intervention and the Destruction of Yugoslavia" by David N. Gibbs. Even those who believe they know all there is to know about the issue of the former Yugoslavia will be shocked at the extent of the external subterfuge that went on in ripping that country apart and making the Serbs the scapegoats for the crimes. This external "intervention" will have repercussions for the free world, especially the Christian world, far into the future.

Aleksandra Rebic

February 2010

Below is an excerpt from one of the chapters specifically pertaining to the subject matter discussed in this thread.

THE SREBRENICA MASSACRE AND ITS AFTERMATH

From "First Do No Harm" by David N. Gibbs

Pages 160-161

"The origin of the Srebrenica massacre lay in a series of Muslim attacks that began in the spring of 1995. These attacks were launched from UN-protected safe areas, including the one in Srebrenica. According to the Dutch investigation of the massacre:"

"'The UN headquarters in Zagreb had...concluded that the Bosnian Muslims continually misused the safe areas to maintain their armed forces, which in some cases it looked as if they intended to provoke shelling by the Bosnian Serbs.'"

"Such actions invited Serb reprisals, and this dynamic contributed to the fall of the safe area. Beginning on July 6, 1995 Serb forces assaulted Srebrenica and quickly overran it, despite the (nominal) UN protection."

"The Bosnian government made no serious effort to defend the town and appeared unconcerned that it might be captured. EU negotiator Carl Bildt notes that Bosnian military forces assigned to protect Srebrenica were 'not putting up any resistance. Later it was revealed that they had been ordered by the Sarajevo commanders not to defend Srebrenica.' And Bosnia's foreign minister, Muhamed Sacirbey, told Bildt that Srebrenica 'had always been a problem for his government. They knew that a peace settlement would mean the loss of the enclave. So from this point of view, what had happened [the Serb capture of the town] made things easier' (emphases added by Gibbs). Bildt also noted that during his conversation with Sacirbey, 'I was more upset about what had happened than he [Sacirbey] seemed to be. His calm reactions and controlled arguments still seem to me to be a mysterious piece of the Srebrenica puzzle.'"

"And military correspondent Ripley provides further evidence that the Bosnian government allowed Serb armies to seize the town:"

"'British, Dutch, and other UNPROFOR personnel and many veterans of the Sarajevo press corps, including [Martin] Bell of the BBC, and Nick Gowing of the Channel Four television network all came to the conclusion that the Bosnian government decided to let Srebrenica fall to increase the pressure on the international community to intervene against the Serbs....A month before [the Serb attack], Sarajevo had ordered [Brigadier Oric, the local commander]...to leave for no apparent reason. He was then prevented from returning. As the situation worsened, the Sarajevo leadership made no effort to launch diversionary attacks...Dutch peacekeepers near Tuzla told Gowing that they saw Bosnian troops escaping from Srebrenica...carrying brand new anti-tank weapons, still in their plastic wrappings...[British UN peacekeeper Lieutenant Col. Jim] Baxter said 'they [the Bosnian government] knew what was happening in Srebrenica. I am certain they decided it was worth the sacrifice.'" [emphasis added by Gibbs]

"The foregoing information raises the possibility that the Izetbegovic government actually welcomed the conquest of Srebrenica and took specific measures to increase the likelihood that conquest would occur; and that in doing this, the government was acting on the basis of a larger strategy, which aimed at augmenting international sympathy for the Bosnian cause and thus drawing in NATO military intervention to be directed against the Serbs."

*****

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Reviews of "First Do No Harm" by David Gibbs on Amazon

*****

[FormerLib]

One of you will enjoy hearing that the truth continues to be revealed.

[Hoplite]

You appear to have avoided citing the most relevant passage, Ravnagora:

The Srebrenica massacre was the worst crime in Europe since the 1940s, and several international court filings have defined it as a case of genocide. As to the issue of responsibility, the massacre was directed by Gen. Ratko Mladic, the overall commander of the Serb armies in Bosnia, and Gen. Radislav Krstic, another Serb officer. ibid p160.