Does President Obama Have a Bogus Social Security Number?

Blogspot.com ^ | 03/17/2011 | Jack Cashill

[Havisham]

I’m not on the BC band wagon. But why are myself and my daughter, born 35 years apart but in the same city, assigned SS## beginning with 526 and 600, respectively?

[WildSnail]

Prefixes 526-527 are from Arizona, years 1936-1983
Prefixes 600-601 are from Arizona, years 1983-2000

I assume your respective birthdays fall in those approximate ranges?

(See http://stevemorse.org/ssn/ssn.html)

[fatima]

I kinda like this one.

“Mr. Sampson provided an expert opinion, that there is no reasonable explanation for one residing in HI to get a CT social security number.”

Wrong! Barry Soetoro returned the US as an Indonesian immigrant in 1971. Obama Sr. objected to the Soetoro adoption and had it nullified. The nullification ended Lolo Soetoro’s paternal rights, named Obama Sr. as the father and changed Barry’s legal name to Barack Hussein Obama II.

The adoption nullification did not effect Obama’s school record, immunization record or his Indonesian citizen. Barry returned to America as a refugee, alone. His mother came back to America to attended the adoption nullification hearings.

As a refugee, an American Refugess assistance organization would have handled all of Barry’s legal paperwork. The Refugee assistance organization was located in Connecticut. Consequently, Obama received his SSN with a Connecticut number because of his status as a Indonesian Refugee and not a US Citizen.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2669787/posts

[bluecat6]

In 1977 the process was centralized.

http://www.ssa.gov/employer/stateweb.htm

“Since 1973, social security numbers have been issued by our central office. The first three (3) digits of a person’s social security number are determined by the ZIP Code of the mailing address shown on the application for a social security number. Prior to 1973, social security numbers were assigned by our field offices. The number merely established that his/her card was issued by one of our offices in that State.”

So the rule in effect in 1977:

The first three (3) digits of a person’s social security number are determined by the ZIP Code of the mailing address shown on the application for a social security number.

The zipcode on the application was from Conn.

[bluecat6]

Well.

This becomes problem for Barry/Barak either way.

Either he:

a) has stolen social security numbers, just like any run of the mill illegal immigrant.

or

b) he immigrated as a refugee from Indonesia. This is a good one. The problem - if this is what really did happen. HE IS NOT A ‘natural born Citizen’ he is a naturalized citizen. Remember ‘born’ means ‘from birth’. So if he actually IMMIGRATED back in...its over.

Either of these are not good for the holder of the office of POTUS.

[EDINVA]

Thanks for the further clarification. It’s all so bizarre. Just not sure how illegal it is. Does anyone have the CT address, and does anyone know that BHO is using this SS$?

[ebysan]

Obama's maternal grandmother Madelyn Dunham, worked as a part-timer or volunteer in the Probate Office in the Honolulu Hawaii Courthouse. Thus she would have access to the estate files of anyone who died there. Thus if the elderly man originally from CT died intestate in Hawaii with no known relatives, Grandma Dunham would have known this person is a prime candidate to steal the SSN of since there would be no known surviving family worrying about the death benefit from SSN and that the benefit was not likely applied for and thus SSA did not know he died. Thus the SSN remained active for the deceased person and Obama could "adopt" it as his own. This is a clear case of identity theft at the federal level. *********************************************************** http://www.usmessageboard.com/conspiracy-theories/159311-obamas-ct-social-security-traced-to-john-paul-ludwig-lived-in-ct-died-in-hawaii.html USArmyRetired Registered User Member #23643 Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 1,236 Thanks: 35 Thanked 208 Times in 156 Posts Rep Power: 2 Obama's CT Social Security # Traced To John Paul Ludwig (Lived In CT-Died In Hawaii) This news is breaking: This is bad news for Obama. Obama's CT Social Security # Traced To John Paul Ludwig (Lived In CT-Died In Hawaii) This news is breaking: This is bad news for Obama. This is what we know so far. We get more info on Jean Paul Ludwig, who was born in 1890, had CT SSN obtained in 1976 and died in HI around 1981. There are 2 SS numbers for him and records show him dying in 2 different states: CA and HI around 1981. The reason this is important, is because there is a similar fact pattern to Obama. Barack Obama is residing today in the White House, using CT SS number 042-68-4425, issued in CT in and around March 1977 to an elderly individual named John Paul Ludwig, who was born in 1890, who is presumed dead and whose death was either never reported to the SS administration or reported and deleted from the database by someone. Obama's maternal grandmother Madelyn Dunham, worked as a part-timer or volunteer in the Probate Office in the Honolulu Hawaii Courthouse. Thus she would have access to the estate files of anyone who died there. Thus if the elderly man originally from CT died intestate in Hawaii with no known relatives, Grandma Dunham would have known this person is a prime candidate to steal the SSN of since there would be no known surviving family worrying about the death benefit from SSN and that the benefit was not likely applied for and thus SSA did not know he died. Thus the SSN remained active for the deceased person and Obama could "adopt" it as his own. This is a clear case of identity theft at the federal level. This is what we know about Ludwig: In 1924, Jean Paul Ludwig worked for Senator Reed of PA, in Washington DC. On the ship manifest of ‘Leviathan’, he listed Senator Reed in Washington, DC as his empl., in answer to where he intended to live in the US. Jean Paul Ludwig had been in the US for 3 yrs in 1924, but he was listed on the “Immigration” manifest and refered to as an alien in the column headings. Listed under “States Immigration Officer at Port of Arrival”, New York, Aug 12, 1924: Jean Paul Ludwig, Date of Arrival: Aug 12, 1924, Port of Departure: Cherbourg, France, Line#: 0008 Line #8: By Whom was Passage Paid: Emp. Mr. Reed; Whether in possession of $50: Yes; Whether ever before in US: Yes; If Yes-Period of Years: 3; Where: PA Whether going to join relative or friend: Empl. Senator Reed, Washingto, DC Length of time alien intends to remain in the US: Always Height 5′5″, Complexion Dk., Hair Br., Eyes Br., Marks of ID: None Place of Birth: France, Ammersville. http://www.ellisisland.org/sign/inde...T=LL&section=3 First Name: Jean P. Last Name: Ludwig Ethnicity: France Last Place of Residence: Washington, D.C. Date of Arrival: Aug 12, 1924 Age at Arrival: 34 Gender: M Marital Status: S Ship of Travel: Leviathan Port of Departure: Cherbourg, France Manifest Line Number: 0008 U.S. Social Security Death Index Name: Jean Ludwig Birth Date: 17 February 1890 Zip Code of Last Residence: 96816 (Honolulu,HI) Death Date: June 1981 Estimated Age at Death: 91 teresting ... two locations of death. And interesting Obama was in HI and/or CA at various times in his early life ... but never in CT. And SSN for Sean Paul Ludwig was the one used on the back dated, forged Selective Service registration form for Obama which was filed via the Chicago IL office when Obama was not in the Chicago IL office area of responsibility. Given the corruption in Chicago and all the friends in many places one can see how they likely got access to the necessary forms via the Chicago IL office and some insider in the Chicago IL Sel Service office did the dirty deed and got it entered into the records retroactively. They were clever but not perfect and the forgery was detected by a federal officer. At age 18 Obama was either in HI or CA which means that Sel Service registration should have been processed in the west coast Sel Service office, not the mid-American district. But that Obama use the SSN of Sean Paul Ludwig is 100% confirmed by the number being used when Obama's name was entered into the Selective Service system.

[bluecat6]

I am not sure about the tax records.

I have not got researched this too much.

I did chase down some of the 999-99 Occidental records. They lead to addresses that are not valid. Also one of the 999s is in Missouri. It leads to a valid street but not a valid home number address. And the suburb was built in 1991 or so. So that was strange.

One other interesting thing of note in the Inspector’s General report. On the last page is a summary of the types of documents released from states. Some say “Hawaii does not provide full copy of original BCs and ONLY issues COLBs” (Computer Abstract is the term in the doc).

This can be show to be false by the table on the last page.

It shows that 51 states (states + DC) issue “Full Photocopy of Birth Record”. So when someone says Hawaii does not issue Full original photo copies of BCs. Point them to this document.

This is another myth propagated by the criminal cloakers.

[jamese777]

The current Commissioner of the Social Security Administration is Michael J. Astrue. He was appointed in 2007 to a six year term by President George W. Bush.

Perhaps someone should speak with Mr. Astrue concerning this issue?

[jamese777]

I am not sure about the tax records.

I have not got researched this too much.

I did chase down some of the 999-99 Occidental records. They lead to addresses that are not valid. Also one of the 999s is in Missouri. It leads to a valid street but not a valid home number address. And the suburb was built in 1991 or so. So that was strange.

One other interesting thing of note in the Inspector’s General report. On the last page is a summary of the types of documents released from states. Some say “Hawaii does not provide full copy of original BCs and ONLY issues COLBs” (Computer Abstract is the term in the doc).

This can be show to be false by the table on the last page.

It shows that 51 states (states + DC) issue “Full Photocopy of Birth Record”. So when someone says Hawaii does not issue Full original photo copies of BCs. Point them to this document.

This is another myth propagated by the criminal cloakers.

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The document you reference is 11 years old, having been issued in 2000. Hawaii digitized its birth records in 2001, after that Inspector General’s report was published.

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From the Hawaii Star-Bulliten of June 6, 2009:
“Born Identity”

Question: What is the state’s policy for issuing a “Certification of Live Birth” versus a “Certificate of Live Birth”? My first, second and fourth children received certificates, but my third and fifth children received certifications. Why the difference? The certificate contains more information, such as the name of hospital, certifier’s name and title; attendant’s name and title, etc. The certification has only the child’s name, date and time of birth, sex, city/island/county of birth, mother’s maiden name, mother’s race, father’s name and father’s race. Why doesn’t the state just issue certificates? When did it stop issuing certificates? Is it possible to obtain certificates for my third and fifth children?

Answer: No, you can’t obtain a “certificate of live birth” anymore.

The state Department of Health no longer issues copies of paper birth certificates as was done in the past, said spokeswoman Janice Okubo.

The department only issues “certifications” of live births, and that is the “official birth certificate” issued by the state of Hawaii, she said.

And, it’s only available in electronic form.

Okubo explained that the Health Department went paperless in 2001.

“At that time, all information for births from 1908 (on) was put into electronic files for consistent reporting,” she said.

Information about births is transferred electronically from hospitals to the department.

“The electronic record of the birth is what (the Health Department) now keeps on file in order to provide same-day certified copies at our help window for most requests,” Okubo said.

Asked for more information about the short-form versus long-form birth documents, Okubo said the Health Department “does not have a short-form or long-form certificate.”

“The birth certificate form has been modified over the years and decades to conform to national standards and models,” she said.

Okubo also emphasized the certification form “contains all the information needed by all federal government agencies for transactions requiring a birth certificate.”

She added that the U.S. Supreme Court has recognized the state’s current certification of live birth “as an official birth certificate meeting all federal and other requirements.”

The issue of what constitutes an official Hawaii birth certificate received national attention during last year’s presidential campaign. Those who doubted Barack Obama’s American citizenship called the copy of the Hawaii birth document posted on his campaign Web site a fake.

Asked about that document, Okubo said, “This is the same certified copy everyone receives when they request a birth certificate.”

We found a discussion of “the truth about Obama’s birth certificate” on the Web site FactCheck.org—http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html.

The organization describes itself as “a nonpartisan, nonprofit ‘consumer advocate’ for voters that aims to reduce the level of deception and confusion in U.S. politics.”

It says a “certification of live birth” is, in fact, a short-form official birth certificate. Information included in the document might differ from state to state.

[bluecat6]

Digital imaging does not mean that the original image of the certificate is lost. Original records, by law, must be maintained. Computer abstracts are....ABSTRACTS.

This propagation of lies is silly. Fraud and forgery from within the Obama campaign headquarters is now a proven fact.

When will justice catch up? Who knows. The wheels turn slowly. But the guy with his back to the forgery photo in birth_certificate_3.jpg better get a good lawyer. They are coming for him soon.

[jamese777]

Digital imaging does not mean that the original image of the certificate is lost. Original records, by law, must be maintained. Computer abstracts are....ABSTRACTS.

This propagation of lies is silly. Fraud and forgery from within the Obama campaign headquarters is now a proven fact.

When will justice catch up? Who knows. The wheels turn slowly. But the guy with his back to the forgery photo in birth_certificate_3.jpg better get a good lawyer. They are coming for him soon.

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When anyone has proven evidence of a crime having been committed, they take that evidence to a police agency or to a prosecuting attorney who then convenes a grand jury investigation to see if the evidence holds up enough to issue an indictment.
Why do you think no one has done that yet? I know the wheels of justice grind slowly but the original factcheck.org article was posted on August 21, 2008 and it’s still available on their web site.

I doubt that the person holding the certificate is in trouble since the official spokesperson for the State of Hawaii’s Department of Health said of the scanned image of that very document: “It’s the same certified copy that everybody receives when they request a birth certificate.”—
Janice Okubo, Director of Communications, Hawaii Department of Health in an interview in the Honolulu Star-Bulliten conducted on June 6, 2009.

On top of that, the Republican Speaker of the House of Representatives has said: “The state of Hawaii has said that he was born there. That’s good enough for me.”—John Boehner (R-OH).

[rolling_stone]

It’s the same certified copy that everybody receives when they request a birth certificate.”—
Janice Okubo, Director of Communications, Hawaii Department of Health in an interview in the Honolulu Star-Bulliten conducted on June 6, 2009.

Yeah and that statement is not true and you know it. so why did she misstate the facts? Hiding something is the most obvious reason. Care to lose another $200 donation to FR? You really have no shame and do a disservice to your fellow Obots we all know you deceive and lie and have no credibility. Good job schmuck.

[jamese777]

It’s the same certified copy that everybody receives when they request a birth certificate.”—
Janice Okubo, Director of Communications, Hawaii Department of Health in an interview in the Honolulu Star-Bulliten conducted on June 6, 2009.
Yeah and that statement is not true and you know it. so why did she misstate the facts? Hiding something is the most obvious reason. Care to lose another $200 donation to FR? You really have no shame and do a disservice to your fellow Obots we all know you deceive and lie and have no credibility. Good job schmuck.

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http://nativeborncitizen.wordpress.com/2010/10/22/danae-long-form-hawaiian-certificate/
“Danae Long Form Hawaiian Certificate?”
Posted on October 22, 2010 by NBC

“Note: Based on initial research I had started this posting a few days ago, when I was reasonably certain that Danae had not made a very compelling case and without further evidence, her document had to be rejected. Then I remembered that I should not post things in haste and allow some time to further research the issues. Now I have come to the conclusion that, unless data are found to the contrary, I have to take Danae’s account as likely factual. I will be adding information and links over the next few days. Given the level of controversy and my early comments, I find it important to provide an update even before I have finalized my full posting.

Update: On FR, a third party confirms:

OK, jesting aside. It’s pretty obvious to me that she got it from Hawaii. On the back side of the copy of her long form there is a readable transfer of ink from the receipt forming a mirror image of where they had been in contact.

That settles it for me… Too much detail

On the FreeRepublic a person named Danae claims to have received a long form Certificate of Live Birth from the Department of Health of Hawaii and she presents a picture of the document as well as of the receipt.

The document is in black and white and does not show any evidence of security paper, a seal or a signature/date stamp. I find it hard to believe that the DOH would send out such a document without printing it on security paper, as this would invite abuse.

And thus I started my posting two days ago…

And then there were some warning signs that I may be jumping to conclusions. For instance the 2 boxes with the parents’ race at the bottom, why would she add such information? Or the horizontal fold line, not found on the ‘original’.

Then several things came together. Several states allow anyone access to non-certified data, showing, as Dr C had pointed out to me, how some States deliver birth data in a non-certified format.

The next step was to look at Chapter 117 of HAR 11 (Hawaiian Administrative Rules) which outlines that certain information can be made available to anyone in a non-certified manner. It referred to Section 2.2 to outline the limitations.

Then Danae posted, as I had encouraged her, iPhone pictures of the relevant documents, which further showed credibility to her story.

It’s too early to determine if the document shown was indeed the one sent to her, but by any standard, her story cannot be rejected as false. On the contrary.

I also remembered some comments by Butterdezilion who had asked to get access to a non-certified copy of the birth data and the DOH of Hawaii pointed her to the section 2.2 restrictions as to why she was not entitled to such data.

State law prohibits our agency from disclosing any vital statistics records or information contained in such records unless the requestor has a direct and tangible interest in the record, or as otherwise allowed by statute or administrative rule. Therefore, we cannot send you a non-certified, abbrevated copy of President Obama’s birth certificate, with date of birth and ethnicity redacted. Please refer back to the entire text of “Public Health Regulations” 8b, adopeted on Feb 23, 1978, for a complete explanation. Sec 2.5 B(2) refers to Sec. 2.2 which further explains how information is made available.

and some statements from Mr Itamura

I’ve had less than terrific results with Mr Itamura. I asked for an investigation into 8 specific, listed instances of potential illegal or criminal behavior on the part of the HDOH and OIP. He ignored everything except the LEAST ethically or criminally-significant issue: the HDOH’s refusal to disclose a non-certified abbreviated birth certificate, which he concluded was a “reasonable” response, even though for an inaccurate reason, because I could always appeal the accuracy of their claims to the OIP. Which I did, and the OIP said they let the HDOH decide what the laws mean. The whole thing is just a big racket, as far as I can tell

So it appears that the State of Hawaii releases data in three different instances

1. Under HRS 338-18 as certified data to applicants who have an immediate interest

2. Under HRS 338-18, amended in 1982, as a letter of verification of data known to the applicant and requested by the applicant.

3. As non verified data, limited by Section 2.2 which as far as I have been able to determine limits data to index data only to anyone, and to those who are found to have sufficient interest also full data.

Would anyone accept President Obama submitting a non-verified long form? What if it were to show no entry for the Hospital and no signature from a doctor? What if it did?”

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As for me, I fully intend to make another $200 donation to FreeRepublic next year for all the enjoyment this site provides me and in appreciation of the data that I was able to collect here for my Master’s Thesis.

[Havisham]

Yes they do. Thanks WildSnail.

[CommieCutter]

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