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Plummeting Oil Prices Could Destroy The Banks That Are Holding Trillions In Commodity Derivatives
The Economic Collapse Blog ^ | 12/08/2014 | Michael Snyder

Posted on 12/08/2014 10:10:30 AM PST by SeekAndFind

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To: SeekAndFind

The Chicago Futures Exchange guarantees the integrity of the contracts and insures the liquidity of the market.

If you get a margin call, your collateral is still adequate to cover your losses, but not sufficient to meet margin requirements. If you are sold out, you lose the money you put up against the loss, and your contracts will be sold at the exchange market price. In other words, they don’t wait until you’re in a negative position to close you out.

In any case, the main point of my comment is that the banks don’t have a dog in this fight. They hold the contracts for the real owners, and deliver them as instructed. They don’t own them, and make their money by charging custody and transaction fees.


21 posted on 12/08/2014 10:50:54 AM PST by proxy_user
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To: SeekAndFind
I am not going to be happy until gas is under a dollar a gallon. Folks jumping up and down over 2.75 are crazy....there is nothing good about that.
23 posted on 12/08/2014 10:56:36 AM PST by napscoordinator (President Walker is our future President! Ted Cruz is the Senate Majority Leader in the future!)
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To: SeekAndFind

It has been noted on several web sites that Wall Street is now pushing Congress to have tax payers bail them out when the Derivatives Market collapses. Either way, the tax payer will be once again screwed over by the criminal elite. Good thing the DC politicians have a tax payer built subterranean fortress they can escape to, once the SHTF their lives aren’t going to be worth squat.


24 posted on 12/08/2014 11:01:48 AM PST by drypowder
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To: SeekAndFind

Pigs get fat.
Hogs get slaughtered.


25 posted on 12/08/2014 11:04:26 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks (Rip it out by the roots.)
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To: ryan71

[ Oh darn! I haven’t stacked enough beans and bullets yet. ]

You forgot Rope, there is going to be a need for Rope and lots of it....

The oligarchs and their minions that created this mess are going to need some new neckties....


26 posted on 12/08/2014 11:13:46 AM PST by GraceG (Protect the Border from Illegal Aliens, Don't Protect Illegal Alien Boarders...)
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To: SeekAndFind

Those gold futures are getting tough to sell ...


27 posted on 12/08/2014 11:23:24 AM PST by stinkerpot65 (Global warming is a Marxist lie.)
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To: F15Eagle

There was a freeper recently (forget his/her handle) who explained derivatives fairly well and that it would not be the total chaos we continually read so much about. I won’t do any good trying to explain what they did, hoping someone here recalls that post and can ping that freeper.


28 posted on 12/08/2014 11:34:10 AM PST by Ghost of SVR4 (So many are so hopelessly dependent on the government that they will fight to protect it.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Idiotic article. The vast majority of derivatives contracts zero out.

Imagine if some new Player made $3.9 Trillion and the Too Big Too Fail banks actually failed?!

I’d throw a damn party. Then say hello to the new Trillionaires.


29 posted on 12/08/2014 11:36:23 AM PST by Southack (The one thing preppers need from the 1st World? http://tinyurl.com/ktfwljc .)
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To: Ghost of SVR4

Why don’t you search on “key word = derivatives”???


30 posted on 12/08/2014 12:05:29 PM PST by SierraWasp (Here's the enchanting answer to "Hands Up, Don't Shoot!" Instead chant; "PANTS UP, DON'T LOOT!!!")
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To: drypowder
It has been noted on several web sites that Wall Street is now pushing Congress to have tax payers bail them out when the Derivatives Market collapses.

Why would the derivatives market collapse? Why would that require a bailout? Wall Street makes money on derivatives (that's kinda why they exist).

31 posted on 12/08/2014 12:07:09 PM PST by Toddsterpatriot (Science is hard. Harder if you're stupid.)
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To: drypowder

considering taxpayers already go screwed by tese same speculators driving up demand. The American publc has benn in a “short” position on gas and oil for half a century.


32 posted on 12/08/2014 12:17:22 PM PST by Homer1
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considering taxpayers already go screwed by tese same speculators driving up demand.

Speculators drive up demand? Can you explain how?

33 posted on 12/08/2014 12:39:30 PM PST by Toddsterpatriot (Science is hard. Harder if you're stupid.)
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I apologize, I should have said they want tax payers to cover their loses. The big derivative players must know something is up. Why else would they be strategizing for a tax payer funded bailout?
34 posted on 12/08/2014 1:01:56 PM PST by drypowder
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To: drypowder
I should have said they want tax payers to cover their loses.

What losses?

Why else would they be strategizing for a tax payer funded bailout?

I doubt they are.

35 posted on 12/08/2014 1:41:18 PM PST by Toddsterpatriot (Science is hard. Harder if you're stupid.)
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To: SeekAndFind

I hope the big banks all collapse. It is neccessary.


36 posted on 12/08/2014 3:08:24 PM PST by montag813
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To: montag813

If you have any money in the bank of consequence, it now becomes the CAPITAL of the bank in case of a collapse since November 16th, when the G20 Leaders, Zero included, signed that order.


37 posted on 12/08/2014 3:11:26 PM PST by Kackikat
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To: Kackikat
If you have any money in the bank of consequence

I do not

38 posted on 12/08/2014 3:43:58 PM PST by montag813
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To: SeekAndFind

I read this stuff and it sounds like the mob laying off NY bets to Boston and Philly to spread the risk.

And then the “sure thing” goes terribly wrong.

The problem is the derivatives being laid off to too many counter parties. The upside is great for everyone.

The downside, not so much.


39 posted on 12/08/2014 5:45:50 PM PST by Vermont Lt (Ebola: Death is a lagging indicator.)
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The problem is the derivatives being laid off to too many counter parties. The upside is great for everyone.

The downside, not so much.

The derivatives net to zero, whether the underlying goes up or down.

40 posted on 12/08/2014 5:53:03 PM PST by Toddsterpatriot (Science is hard. Harder if you're stupid.)
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