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Obamaís deal with terrorist Iran is a TREATY
9/10/15 | johnwk

Posted on 09/10/2015 4:21:58 PM PDT by JOHN W K

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If Obama’s deal with the terrorist government of Iran is a treaty, then, by our Constitution, it needs a two thirds approval vote in the Senate to be finalized.

In discussing this issue, it is important to note a fundamental rule of constitutional construction:

16 Am Jur 2d Constitutional law
Meaning of Language
Ordinary meaning, generally

”Words or terms used in a constitution, being dependent on ratification by the people voting upon it, must be understood in the sense most obvious to the common understanding at the time of its adoption…”__ (my emphasis)

So, in determining if Obama’s deal with a terrorist government is a treaty, we must determine what the meaning of a treaty is as expressed by our forefathers during the time of our Constitution’s framing and ratification process.

In Federalist No. 64 John Jay defines a treaty as a “bargain” . He writes:

”These gentlemen would do well to reflect that a treaty is only another name for a bargain, and that it would be impossible to find a nation who would make any bargain with us, which should be binding on them ABSOLUTELY, but on us only so long and so far as we may think proper to be bound by it.”

And in Federalist No. 75 Hamilton tells us with reference to a treaty, “Its objects are CONTRACTS with foreign nations, which have the force of law…” And he goes on to explain why the president was not granted an arbitrary power to make “CONTRACTS with foreign nations, which have the force of law” unless approved by a two thirds vote. Hamilton points out the president, if he had such power:

“might sometimes be under temptations to sacrifice his duty to his interest, which it would require superlative virtue to withstand. An avaricious man might be tempted to betray the interests of the state to the acquisition of wealth. An ambitious man might make his own aggrandizement, by the aid of a foreign power, the price of his treachery to his constituents. The history of human conduct does not warrant that exalted opinion of human virtue which would make it wise in a nation to commit interests of so delicate and momentous a kind, as those which concern its intercourse with the rest of the world, to the sole disposal of a magistrate created and circumstanced as would be a President of the United States.”

And James Wilson, who attended the Convention of 1787 says the following during the Pennsylvania Ratifying Convention:

“Treaties, sir, are truly contracts, or compacts, between the different states, nations, or princes, who find it convenient or necessary to enter into them.” ___ 11 Dec. 1787 Elliot 2:505--7

And our very own Supreme Court, in FOSTER v. NEILSON, (1829) Chief Justice Marshall says:

“A treaty is in its nature a contract between two nations, not a legislative act”.

Now that we know what a treaty is, as expressed by our forefathers and our very own Supreme Court, what power has been granted to Obama with regard to him making deals with foreign government?

The President “… shall have Power, by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, to make Treaties, provided two thirds of the Senators present concur…”


To pretend Obama has power to make a deal with Iran’s terrorist government without the various States approval by the required two thirds vote, is a narfarious outright lie and attempted subjugation of our written Constitution.

Keep in mind what Hamilton warns, which is especially applicable to Obama and why a two thirds vote is required:


Obama “might sometimes be under temptations to sacrifice his duty to his interest, which it would require superlative virtue to withstand. An avaricious man might be tempted to betray the interests of the state to the acquisition of wealth. An ambitious man might make his own aggrandizement, by the aid of a foreign power, the price of his treachery to his constituents. The history of human conduct does not warrant that exalted opinion of human virtue which would make it wise in a nation to commit interests of so delicate and momentous a kind, as those which concern its intercourse with the rest of the world, to the sole disposal of a magistrate created and circumstanced as would be a President of the United States.”

Obama has consorted with the enemy, is attempting to finalize a deal with a terrorist government which will help to finance this terrorist government’s activities and the building of a nuclear war machine. And those who support this attack on America’s general welfare pretend this is not a treaty to avoid the two thirds vote threshold necessary to approve Obama’s treachery.


JWK

When will the America People realize we have an Islamic cell operating out of our nation's White House? Will they come to this conclusion when Obama allows Iran to make the component parts for a nuclear arsenal?



TOPICS: Government; History; Politics
KEYWORDS: deal; iran; israel; lebanon; nuke; treaty; waronterror
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1 posted on 09/10/2015 4:21:58 PM PDT by JOHN W K
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To: JOHN W K
When will the America People realize we have an Islamic cell operating out of our nation's White House?

The people already know but aren't willing to do anything about it.

As the bumper sticker says, "The Founders would be shooting by now."

2 posted on 09/10/2015 4:25:07 PM PDT by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: JOHN W K

Psychotic, treasonous "Judge" Roberts:
"Words are now what I want them to be.
Now, bow low before all Blackrobes and your Islamic Indonesian King."

3 posted on 09/10/2015 4:25:48 PM PDT by Diogenesis ("When a crime is unpunished, the world is unbalanced.")
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To: JOHN W K

It’s not a treaty. Not only because Congress gave that away, but also because there is no document signed.

It is an agreement.

Any future President can stop it.

But is also involves a bunch of other countries who are not immediately threatened by Iran. So if we abrogate it, we will be outcasts within the world.

Obama blew this one up gooood.


4 posted on 09/10/2015 4:27:08 PM PDT by Vermont Lt
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To: Vermont Lt

How can Congress change the Constitution without an amendment?


5 posted on 09/10/2015 4:29:10 PM PDT by meatloaf
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To: JOHN W K
Treasonous constitutional scholar this one, eh? The man should have charges brought against him in congress and be forced into the docket in the senate.

And congress acts surprised when they see their approval numbers hovering at 7%

6 posted on 09/10/2015 4:29:33 PM PDT by atc23 (The Confederacy was the single greatest conservative resistance to federal authority ever)
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To: meatloaf

They didn’t. We do agreements all of the time. Trade agreements, military training agreements, social exchange agreements.

That is what the State Department does.

Obama played the idiot Republicans in Congress like a fiddle.


7 posted on 09/10/2015 4:31:17 PM PDT by Vermont Lt
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To: JOHN W K

These people are cursing us every day.

Why would we have any kind of deal with them?

These asshole politicians are being blackmailed.

What is it?

The missing antiaircraft missiles?


8 posted on 09/10/2015 4:31:58 PM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: Diogenesis

Roberts was a bought man from day one of his appointment. The Bushes were complicit in the deal. What else to expect from a family whose matriarch would adopt such a person as Bill Clinton as a son. A Clinton who sold out the US to China in notorious dealings.


9 posted on 09/10/2015 4:37:12 PM PDT by noinfringers2
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To: Vermont Lt

The GOP was not played.

The lying, treasonous, self-serving, GOP scum
deliberately chose Iran and death for America.
Even when it was SECRET. Their hatred for Americans
is also exposed in the IRS Atrocity the GOP
created (like ObamaCARE/RomneyCARE) and then
covered up. They are SCUM.


10 posted on 09/10/2015 4:37:55 PM PDT by Diogenesis ("When a crime is unpunished, the world is unbalanced.")
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To: Diogenesis

Well, either way.

Here is my take: the Iranians already have a bomb or two. The deal wasn’t to prevent that. It was blackmail for them not to use it. They now get the money, and they have a couple of years to prepare for their apocalypse before they renege and use the bombs.

Either way, all the prepping in the world isn’t going to prevent radiation from killing us.


11 posted on 09/10/2015 4:41:13 PM PDT by Vermont Lt
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To: JOHN W K

The deal/treaty is designed to tie our hands and free the Iranians up to kill Israel and America. We get nothing out of it so democrats are celebrating today.


12 posted on 09/10/2015 4:42:18 PM PDT by Bullish (Face it, insanity is just not presidential.)
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To: JOHN W K

The is no doubt that the POTUS is a muslim sympathizer and that he is destroying America by his many evil policies and bargains and treaty’s and lies, but why are the Congress creatures going along and not doing their job? It doesn’t take much common sense to see that the Congress in in cahoots with the obamanation and may be doing the part that is outlined for them to do. I reckon the time is come for Americans to fight the monsters and their allies or to die slowly of starvation and hard work.
It is time to pray to the one true living God, the God of Israel, and His Christ or we are done. It seems His judgment is on this country.


13 posted on 09/10/2015 4:45:05 PM PDT by kindred (Conservatives are robbed by both the communist dems and rino politicians of DC.)
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To: JOHN W K

Treason charges need to be brought against many Senators and Obama.


14 posted on 09/10/2015 4:50:36 PM PDT by Ray76 (When a gov't leads it's people down a path of destruction resistance is not only a right but a duty.)
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To: kindred

Constitutional imperative: .300 Winchester Magnum.


15 posted on 09/10/2015 5:01:03 PM PDT by OftheOhio (never could dance but always could kata - Romeo company)
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To: Vermont Lt; All
"It is an agreement."

Regardless if Iran “deal” is a treaty or an agreement, since US funds are going to Iran (corrections welcome), then why doesn’t the House exercise its “power of the purse” (1.7.1) and “press the button” to stop US funds from going to Iran?

I suppose that corrupt Congress has already given Obama a “slush fund” so that Obama doesn’t have to worry that the House will be a brat and not give him his Iran funding.

16 posted on 09/10/2015 5:19:47 PM PDT by Amendment10
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To: Amendment10

They are not US funds. It is money that was frozen under U.S. Control back in ‘79. It’s really their own money.


17 posted on 09/10/2015 5:23:42 PM PDT by Vermont Lt
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To: Vermont Lt; All
"They are not US funds. It is money that was frozen under U.S. Control back in ‘79. It’s really their own money."

Thank you for clarification.

18 posted on 09/10/2015 5:24:54 PM PDT by Amendment10
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To: JOHN W K

Well, according to Barry, Kerry, and the GOPe, this is a ‘deal’. So they don’t need that supermajority.

The Muslims, and the dems, are counting on the GOPe to be good little boys and girls and not to question their superiors.

Boner and McConnel are A Okay with that.


19 posted on 09/10/2015 5:39:15 PM PDT by AFreeBird
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To: Diogenesis

YES!!!!!!


20 posted on 09/10/2015 6:06:51 PM PDT by TribalPrincess2U (0bama's agenda¬óDivide and conquer seems to be working.)
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