Posted on 12/03/2015 6:43:22 AM PST by marktwain
Recent headlines blared "Paris attacks: Almost 800 pump-action shotguns seized by Italian police on way to Belgium, Germany and Holland".
It is hard to see any connection between the shotguns (Winchester SXPs) that were seized and terrorists. The shotguns were legally manufactured in Turkey. It is important to note it is admitted that "customs rules were not broken":
Although customs rules were not broken, police said the driver did not have licences required to transport the weapons and the Turkish manufacturer was reportedly accused of breaching national security regulations.
What apparently happened is that the manufacturer and customers fell victim to increased security checks put in place after the Paris attacks. Demand for shotguns has been sky-rocketing in Europe since the invasion of millions of Muslim migrants started months ago. It is not hard to understand why hundreds of shotguns would be destined for Belgium, Germany and Holland. Shotguns are one of the easiest firearms to legally obtain in most countries with strict gun control. The shotguns shown, Winchester SXPs, have extended magazines and folding stocks, which would severely limit ownership in some countries.
(Excerpt) Read more at ammoland.com ...
Over the last twenty years...what terrorist acts have been committed with a shotgun?
“Tet, Take Two: Islam’s 2016 European Offensive”
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/3366283/posts
“Over the last twenty years...what terrorist acts have been committed with a shotgun?”
Shotguns were used in Paris.
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I never have heard anything more about the guy driving from Germany to Paris (programming into his satellite navigation system) with a bunch of AK47s and hand grenades under his hood. He was arrested at the border prior to the attack. After the attack he still refused to talk (no waterboarding, of course).
How many others were involved in the arming of jihadists in Western Europe?
It was done with Kalashnikovs AND PUMP SHOTGUNS.
That would be ZERO. Shotguns require getting close enough to see the person's face. Bombs are the weapons of the coward. They don't WANT to see the people they kill...no backbone whatsoever. Just anger.
DEATH PENALTY, with prejudice.
You are wrong. Pump shotguns were used in Paris in the concert hall and other places. Buckshot is devastating against massed, unarmed people. The Paris killers shot their victims at close range with AKs and shotguns.
Zero unless you count the DC Navy Yard or Colorado Theater shootings as an acts of terrorism. Both involved shotguns.
Yes, you're right.
From Wikipedia:
In its broadest sense, terrorism is any act designed to cause terror.[1]
In a narrower sense, terrorism can be understood to feature a political objective. The word terrorism is politically loaded and emotionally charged.[2]
A broad array of political organizations have practised terrorism to further their objectives. It has been practised by both right-wing and left-wing political parties, nationalist groups, religious groups, revolutionaries, and ruling governments.[3] The symbolism of terrorism can exploit human fear to help achieve these goals.[4]
I think it's always a plus to define the words we are discussing. "Terrorism" obviously has different nuances.
Shotguns are rough equivalents of submachine guns, used properly. A shotgun with 00 buckshot (9 pellets the most common buckshot load) and an 8 round magazine (common) can unload 72 .33 inch projectiles in a few seconds. Reloading is a bit slower than a submachine gun, but they are rough equivalents.
I recall reading a book on the Malaysian insurgency/emergency in the 1950s. In it, an informal competition was held between a man with a Sten sub-machine gun and an American with a military shotgun, on targets out to 100 yards. The contest was declared a draw.
I have never been able to find another copy of the book; I left it in the University of Wisconsin Mining Engineering Department where I found it. It was a first person account of an engineer who was there. It also had information about a couple of Kennedy brothers who showed up on a “fact finding” tour of the emergency.
Sure wish I could find a copy.
Shotguns are rough equivalents of submachine guns, used properly. A shotgun with 00 buckshot (9 pellets the most common buckshot load) and an 8 round magazine (common) can unload 72 .33 inch projectiles in a few seconds. Reloading is a bit slower than a submachine gun, but they are rough equivalents.
I recall reading a book on the Malaysian insurgency/emergency in 1948 - 1950s. In it, an informal competition was held between a man with a Sten sub-machine gun and an American with a military shotgun, on targets out to 100 yards. The contest was declared a draw.
I have never been able to find another copy of the book; I left it in the University of Wisconsin Mining Engineering Department where I found it. It was a first person account of an engineer who was there. It also had information about a couple of Kennedy brothers who showed up on a “fact finding” tour of the emergency.
Sure wish I could find a copy.
The article raises a valid question - which would seem to be easy enough to answer based on the shipment’s destination. If the shotguns were intended for known, legitimate firearms wholesalers / distributors, it would be noted somewhere in the shipping paperwork.
Maybe someone on this site has a copy. I hope so.
Here is an article from Belgium:
The load was declared and no irregularities were detected by the customs. It however lacked necessary authorization issued by public safety, which is required for carrying high calibre weapons in Italy - even in simple cases of transit.
http://brusselstimes.com/brussels/4584/italian-police-seize-weapons-meant-for-belgium
And have we lost all of our common sense? The shotguns were coming from TURKEY. Turkey is supplying ISIS, flooding Europe with an army of moslem jihadis that are reeking of anger as they march in.
This isn’t the same as a load of Remingtons coming from a factory in America in normal commerce.
Its another part of the Erdogan Turk attack.
Lots of Shotguns sold legally in the U.S. come from Turkey.
Yes, it seems like an odd detail to screw up. Of course, given the “Asian” heritage of the transport driver, this could’ve started out as a legitimate shipment which was targeted for hijacking. Most likely with information from inside Turkey.
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