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Cruz, Natural Born Citizen Or Not? - Frankly, I am not sure that I care anymore
01/20/2016 | inpajamas

Posted on 01/20/2016 10:15:17 AM PST by inpajamas

I was told today that Ted Cruz's conservatism was moot because he is not eligible to run for president. I have also been told by others that true conservatives cannot win a general election. If that is true, then there is no winning, for even if you prevail by sacrificing values and principles to enlarge your "tent", you have won nothing.

The truth is, regardless of Cruz's status, Cruz's conservatism is not moot anymore than the Founders ideas were moot. For if values and principles are moot, you can follow the law precisely and you have nothing. The Founders parted company with the law they were under to embrace freedom. If it takes another revolution, so be it. And if we have to start over, I don't care where the values and principles and morals come from if they are good. I will stick with invisible virtues wherever they be found. If they are not embraced by Americans in power, I will support a foreigner who has them. I believe we are that point in history. This view, I was told, was a rejection of the Constitution. My response was not my one, but one of the Founders:

"The question you propose, whether circumstances do not sometimes occur, which make it a duty in officers of high trust, to assume authorities beyond the law, is easy of solution in principle, but sometimes embarrassing in practice. A strict observance of the written laws is doubtless one of the high duties of a good citizen, but it is not the highest. The laws of necessity, of self -preservation, of saving our country when in danger, are of higher obligation. To lose our country by a scrupulous adherence to written law, would be to lose the law itself, with life, liberty, property and all those who are enjoying them with us; thus absurdly sacrificing the end to the means.. . . " - Thomas Jefferson to John B. Colvin, 20 Sept. 1810 Works 11:146

http://press-pubs.uchicago.edu/founders/documents/a2_3s8.html"


TOPICS: Government; History; Politics
KEYWORDS: 1stcanadiansenator; anime; citizenship; cruz; masturbation; naturalborncitizen; oneworldgovernment; politics; tds; trump; vanity
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1 posted on 01/20/2016 10:15:17 AM PST by inpajamas
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To: inpajamas

If he is we should elect him, if he isn’t we should elect him anyway just to piss off the libtards out there and rub their nose in Obama like a dog owner rubbing a dog’s nose in it’s pile of poop.


2 posted on 01/20/2016 10:19:06 AM PST by GraceG (The election doesn't pick the next president, it is an audition for "American Emperor"...)
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To: inpajamas
Ditto. These are desperate times.
3 posted on 01/20/2016 10:20:28 AM PST by chopperman
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To: inpajamas

so what your saying, is that we don’t need no stinking laws


4 posted on 01/20/2016 10:20:35 AM PST by mouse1
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To: inpajamas

He is. Chester Alan Arthur settled this issue.

Rubio has a more tenuous claim if you ask me since neither of his parents were citizens at the time.


5 posted on 01/20/2016 10:22:37 AM PST by Shadow44
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To: inpajamas

I’m fine with his eligibility, but I certainly think that some are not, and they intend to make themselves heard.

I don’t think that it benefits us as a country to leave qualification requirements nebulous.

I don’t find it helpful when I’m trying to select a candidate people saying oh if you pick that guy, I’m going to sue.

We need to get this nailed down ASAP, one way or the other.


6 posted on 01/20/2016 10:23:27 AM PST by chris37 (heartless)
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To: inpajamas

You say you want a revolution, well you know...


7 posted on 01/20/2016 10:23:47 AM PST by bigbob ("Victorious warriors win first ande then go to war" Sun Tzu.)
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To: chopperman

Indeed they are. I’m almost at the “so what” stage myself. Not quite there, but getting close.


8 posted on 01/20/2016 10:24:58 AM PST by liberalism is suicide (Communism,fascism-no matter how you slice socialism, its still baloney)
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To: mouse1

No,we’re tired of playing by the rules.we want to play by their rules. I hear Cruz has 14 social security numbers.


9 posted on 01/20/2016 10:25:52 AM PST by longfellow (Bill Maher, the 21st hijacker.)
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To: inpajamas

Cruz is eligible. DT playing the card to undercut him just like his silly increase ethanol junk yesterday. Even most all trumpees know this but think they might win over someone?
I don’t have to lie for my guy and I sure don’t sing his praises for his Alinsky tactics belittling all who do not kiss his butt.


10 posted on 01/20/2016 10:27:55 AM PST by libbylu (Trump's supporters have the same brain disease as Hillary's supporters)
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To: inpajamas
Cruz, Natural Born Citizen Or Not? - Frankly, I am not sure that I care anymore

Exactly my position. Once you let human garbage like Obama in, Anyone is eligible.

11 posted on 01/20/2016 10:30:21 AM PST by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: inpajamas

As long as you are willing to admit that you advocate subverting the constitution in order to seat a usurper, I’m good with it. Just don;t tell us that you are upholding the constitution.


12 posted on 01/20/2016 10:33:01 AM PST by Cboldt
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To: longfellow

That’s silly. I believe Cruz would be the best candidate and is the most conservative, both fiscally and morally. This issue isn’t going to go away. It would be hammered on in a general election. And fought in the courts if he won. So what happens then if he is found ineligible.....does vp elect become president....dem candidate....or does the king retain his crown? At some point we need a firm definition of NBC. I find it more troubling that the law could be interpreted as an anchor baby being eligible for president.


13 posted on 01/20/2016 10:34:08 AM PST by mouse1
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To: inpajamas

Was it a vaginal birth?


14 posted on 01/20/2016 10:35:44 AM PST by batterycommander (...Change your diaper, diaperhead. It's full of shiite.)
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 The laws of necessity, of self -preservation, of saving our country when in danger, are of higher obligation. To lose our country by a scrupulous adherence to written law, would be to lose the law itself, with life, liberty, property and all those who are enjoying them with us; thus absurdly sacrificing the end to the means.. . . " - Thomas Jefferson to John B. Colvin, 20 Sept. 1810 Works 11:146

 

 

That's some pretty hot stuff there.

To save the Constitution we must destroy the Constitution.

15 posted on 01/20/2016 10:35:47 AM PST by Responsibility2nd (PALIN. Endorsing Democrats for Alaska and the USA!)
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To: chris37
The Secretary of State in NH has been sued by a GOP opponent in the NH primary, to remove Cruz from the ballot on qualification/eligibility grounds. Opponents in election have standing. Black letter law. Cruz will probably argue that the court should not decide, because only Congress has the power to decide eligibility.

Still, Cruz has a venue and a case with which to obtain an answer from the federal court system - if he wants to take advantage of the opportunity.

16 posted on 01/20/2016 10:36:24 AM PST by Cboldt
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To: inpajamas

Anarchy! Apocalypse now! Yeah!


17 posted on 01/20/2016 10:37:55 AM PST by familyop ("Welcome to Costco. I love you." --Costco greeter in "Idiocracy")
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To: mouse1
so what your saying, is that we don’t need no stinking laws"

No. What I am saying is Nature's Law though invisible is supreme. The Constitution has been overthrown by false interpretations of judges and man-made laws and regulations of bureaucrats and politicians. We think we live under the Constitution but in truth we do not. I am saying that doing what is good and absolutely necessary is the true law regardless of what anyone else or even any state says it is.

18 posted on 01/20/2016 10:38:02 AM PST by inpajamas (Texas Akbar!!!!!!!)
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To: Responsibility2nd
Powerful indeed. Best taken in context.

There is no expediency justification when deliberately choosing a president.

19 posted on 01/20/2016 10:39:10 AM PST by Cboldt
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To: Responsibility2nd
"To save the Constitution we must destroy the Constitution."

That is a good line. Like it. But to be more precise, destroy what it has been misconstrued to be.

20 posted on 01/20/2016 10:40:47 AM PST by inpajamas (Texas Akbar!!!!!!!)
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