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Death Comes for the Party
The Bull Elephant ^ | May 5, 2016 | Michael Giere

Posted on 05/08/2016 8:58:00 PM PDT by DarthVader

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To: theoilpainter
One would think this post would be celebrated by Democrats. Instead, it’s celebrated by Freepers.

How things have changed - for the (much) worse.

"Dense this one is"


21 posted on 05/09/2016 4:34:55 AM PDT by COBOL2Java (Donald Trump, warts and all, is not a public enemy. The Golems in the GOP are stasis and apathy)
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To: greeneyes
Yikes! Not sure what happened-triple post??? I swear I only clicked it once.

You can say that again. (and again.)

Happens to the best of us, and to me too. Admins will remove dupes if you ask.

22 posted on 05/09/2016 4:54:11 AM PDT by chajin ("There is no other name under heaven given among people by which we must be saved." Acts 4:12)
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To: DarthVader

Thank you for posting.


23 posted on 05/09/2016 5:17:22 AM PDT by proud2beconservativeinNJ ("In God We Trust")
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To: DarthVader

...........and about DAMN TIME, too!


24 posted on 05/09/2016 5:30:18 AM PDT by Flintlock (The ballot box STOLEN, our soapbox taken away--the BULLET BOX is left to us.)
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To: DarthVader

OUTSTANDING post. Thanks. HOORAY Michael Giere. BTTT!


25 posted on 05/09/2016 5:43:34 AM PDT by PGalt
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To: DarthVader

precisely


26 posted on 05/09/2016 5:46:30 AM PDT by Nifster (I see puppy dogs in the clouds)
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To: Lopeover
Do not forget that they fought Trump with greater energy, money and voracity than they did Obama!

Just like Romney did in 2012 when he attacked Newt but rolled over during the election against Obama
27 posted on 05/09/2016 5:49:32 AM PDT by uncbob
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To: DarthVader
How hard is this for these people?

Seriously? Are they this dense?

A Conservative:

- knows that abortion is murder, and selling the body parts of babies is criminal and evil

- wants to stop illegal invasion, and all that goes with it: fraud, welfare cheats, illegal "voting", ruined schools, crime, overwhelming emergency rooms, taxpayer burden, etc

- does not screw over the military and slash its budget, while fully funding Planned Parenthood and Illegal Invaders

- believes in the Constitution of the United States

- fears Almighty God

- believes spending must be kept under control

- knows that a powerful government is a threat to individual liberity and the rights of the citizens guaranteed under the Constitution

- believes in EQUAL protection under the law; not in "special rights" for "approved" groups and classes

28 posted on 05/09/2016 6:35:49 AM PDT by SkyPilot ("I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me." John 14:6)
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To: DarthVader

Bookmark for later.


29 posted on 05/09/2016 6:39:53 AM PDT by Carriage Hill ( A society grows great when old men plant trees, in whose shade they know they will never sit.)
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To: COBOL2Java

Well....it’s this way. I’m still a conservative. Some here say this time, ideology doesn’t matter. It does to me. I’ll take an “Establishment” conservative over a “centrist” like Trump any day.

What’s important is to beat the opponent - liberalism, not to tear up and destroy the only organization that has the potential to do that, as imperfect as it is (was).

OK - flame away.


30 posted on 05/09/2016 7:30:19 AM PDT by theoilpainter
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To: theoilpainter
The economic policies through the 28 years of the Bush-Clinton-Bush-Obama regime have been drastically different from the economic policies of the Reagan years.

There is nothing conservative about globalism. Quite the opposite; globalism intends the destruction of US sovereignty and the US Constitution.

31 posted on 05/09/2016 7:36:16 AM PDT by meadsjn
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To: Personal Responsibility

Don’t forget joining Dems in race baiting for votes and hating on whitey.


32 posted on 05/09/2016 9:42:19 AM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: meadsjn

I can think of no one who thinks that the Obama administration is just the same as Bush’s. Would you rather have the last 8 years of Bush or the last 8 years of Obama?

All we are going to get for our little anti-establishment rant is the permanent alienation of Latinos and at least 4 years of Clinton.

And you will be able to tell the difference between Bush and Clinton.


33 posted on 05/09/2016 11:40:33 AM PDT by theoilpainter
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To: theoilpainter
I can think of no one who thinks that the Obama administration is just the same as Bush’s.

With regard to foreign trade deals, there is no difference, regardless which party held the House and Senate.

28 continuous years of anti-American, globalist, treasonous trade deals.

34 posted on 05/09/2016 11:44:37 AM PDT by meadsjn
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To: meadsjn

Which has led to low inflation through price competition from abroad. Foreign deals did not screw our middle class, as Sanders and Trump claim. US workers just became too expensive, thanks to unions. American workers priced themselves out of the market. Rather than invest in new technologies and innovations, we spend the money on extended unemployment benefits.


35 posted on 05/09/2016 11:53:16 AM PDT by theoilpainter
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To: theoilpainter
One would think this post would be celebrated by Democrats. Instead, it’s celebrated by Freepers.

Please, elaborate...

Vote Trump

36 posted on 05/09/2016 12:05:38 PM PDT by sargon (Continue with 24/7 anti-Trump diatribes & insults, your opus will be assumed.)
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To: theoilpainter
You're about fifteen years late to this discussion on FR. It was beaten to death back around Y2K to 2003.

As it stands more recently:

In 2013 there were 14.5 million members in the U.S., compared with 17.7 million in 1983. In 2013, the percentage of workers belonging to a union was 11.3%, compared to 20.1% in 1983. The rate for the private sector was 6.7%, and for the public sector 35.3%.

Your argument is pure BS. Are you going to tell us that it was public sector jobs were outsourced?

37 posted on 05/09/2016 12:24:04 PM PDT by meadsjn
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To: theoilpainter
Here is the domestic side of the two-edged sword of this economic holocaust:

Here is the explanation and justification for saying that the federal government brings in 1.5 million new foreign workers each year (125,000 a month) to take U.S. jobs while Americans lose theirs.

38 posted on 05/09/2016 12:40:39 PM PDT by meadsjn
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To: theoilpainter
Apparently, you've been sold a bill of goods as to what the word "conservative" means.

One of the chief tactics of the Enemy is to cloud and warp the meaning of certain words, until nobody can really tell what they truly mean any more.

Two people could be discussing "conservatism", yet in their own minds the word means completely different things to each of them.

But as for the article in question, I fail to see how you could plausibly make your initial comment.

Let's review the articles pronouncements of various issues:

1. Trump’s call for a temporary ban on Muslim’s entering the country until the U.S. government could properly identify them, this following the San Bernardino terrorist attack.

How is "conserving" our nation and providing for the common defense not conservative?

Federal law provides that the President can exclude a group from immigrating on any basis whatsoever: a religious criteria, a cultural criteria, or the criteria of whoever is wearing a green shirt or whose last name is O'Malley.

There is no inherent right for any foreigner to enter this country, and there have been many periods in U.S. History where immigration has either been encouraged or discouraged, for various reasons.

So I don't see how exercising due caution with respect to allowing Muslim immigrants could be considered antithetical to conservatism, unless conservatism has been re-defined into some PC concept with which I'm totally unfamiliar.

2. Vastly expanding federal spending?

Again, in what universe is that "conservative"?

3. Turning education over to the federal government.

Another totally NON-conservative policy. Conservatives are supposed to honor the Constitution, including the 9th and 10th Amendments. Thus, wanting to keep educational policy in the hands of the State or the People, and only allowing the federal government those powers that it is explicitly granted, is eminently conservative.

And yet, what are many so-called "conservatives" like Jeb Bush and his ilk in favor of? Top down control, dictating local and state standards and forcing social engineering such as "Common Core" down or throats (not to mention corporate welfare at the same time).

4. International "Free Trade" Agreements.

From the article:

But the truth is that, starting with NAFTA, we have learned that we have been snookered. These aren’t free trade agreements defined as two or more countries deciding to treat each others products and services reciprocally; instead, it is managed corporate trade. We allow many countries to ship goods into the U.S. with little to no tax, while American goods are subjected to a withering variety of consumption and other taxes hidden in the host economy, currency manipulation, and are hobbled with rules and regulations that no domestic company must comply with. The end result it that millions of jobs and untold wealth have left the U.S. for someone else’s benefit.


My God, man! What exactly is it that you think conservatism is? By any realistic definition of conservatism, Donald Trump is much more conservative than these "Establishment conservatives" which you claim you would prefer.

You'd really prefer the GOP that we've been getting since Ronald Reagan left the national stage?

I don't get it.

It seems to me that you've totally lost track of what conservatism really means.

Lemme guess: you were looking for a conservative messiah to get the GOP nomination, but your preferred candidate didn't win.

So now, you're now bitterly lashing out, trying to convince yourself and everyone else that Donald Trump's conservatism is somehow inferior to the more sophisticated "Establishment" version which GOP voters been force fed by the GOPe for the last 25 years.

I'm sorry, but your assertion doesn't stand up under close scrutiny.

I don't think anybody would argue that Donald Trump is a devoutly orthodox ideological conservative, or a deeply religious man, but he certainly appears to be a pragmatic conservative, which already makes him distinctly more conservative than any GOP nominee we've seen since Ronald Reagan (with the possible exception of Bob Dole, perhaps?).

I just don't get the hysterical opposition to Donald Trump on the basis of purist ideals of conservatism, because when analyzed practically and realistically, Trump represents the potential to accomplish more for conservatism than the 2 Republican Presidents we've had since Reagan.

And let's also not forget that Ronald Reagan himself was absolutely despised by the GOP Establishment, and that attitude didn't begin to subside until after he beat Jimmy Carter.

One thing for sure is that the National Review, William Krystol, George Will, Charles Krauthammer and their ideological ilk are certainly not qualified to be the final arbiters of what constitutes conservatism, especially in the minds of rank-and-file GOP voters. Nobody, especially them, is the gatekeeper of who we can choose to elect as President. It's high time that we disabuse these people of the misguided notion that they are somehow better judges of conservatism than we are.

And aside from all that, metaphorically speaking, the two-faced, entrenched, corrupt Uniparty in DC needs to have a 60 megaton nuke dropped right in its smug lap. Twice.

Nothing good will happen in Washington until the Establishment is shaken to its very core, and only We the People, through Donald Trump being elected President, have any chance of accomplishing that...

Vote Trump

39 posted on 05/09/2016 12:59:22 PM PDT by sargon (Continue with 24/7 anti-Trump diatribes & insults, your opus will be assumed.)
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To: Ignatz

Romney...the Grandfather of Obama care...is only “severely conservative” in his dreams.


40 posted on 05/09/2016 3:29:15 PM PDT by gogeo (Donald Trump. Because it's finally come to that.)
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