Skip to comments.Is there a wiser way to use FR?
Posted on 01/19/2017 2:10:23 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck
It has been 16 years more or less that I have been on FR.
My participation began with the contested Bush-Gore election in late 2000.
I've seen a lot of debate, a lot of discussion, and a wide palette of points of view from left to right and on many spiritual subjects.
I believe the present season, with not just Trump but a new salvational consciousness on the horizon, is an answer from God to the confusion.
Anyhow, as the "age of Trump" comes upon us, are there wiser ways to use FR than to chew the fat on behalf of particular parochial views? Perhaps it would be the time, instead, to look at how a full-salvational God consciousness can bridge what looked like unbridgeable gaps.
I got into a debate today on Facebook. It was with a women's protest movement that, typical of our modern Left, took the LGBT etc. under its wing. Well we know that's folly. I tried to sell them on the point that it was folly. I got asked back whether I'd ever met any of these folks. Well here's where I took a turn I might have taken differently. Rather than saying yes, I've seen them do thus and such, which emphasized how much I knew, I could have pulled the mirror out right there and then, and asked how many conservatives or even centrists that person had met, and are they all the same?
Conservatives can get so fixed on the idea that the Left is ghastly wrong, that they can also forget that even blind squirrels smell out some nuts. A full authoritarian brain wash job towards the Left isn't needed, if we can rightly capitalize on, even empathize with, what they correctly identify as desiderata. Sometimes it's just our own pride or lack of patience that has caused us to get frozen into a certain attitude. As even Trump said, "I'm going to bring us together." Let's give both God and Donald a chance.
Your post is a beautiful thought but I sincerely doubt there is any hope of goodness in the Leftist Land of Mordour
And this is an example of the kind of brick wall that has to come down, unless we are going to be working at cross purposes with both God and Donald.
“[You] sincerely doubt.”
Are you even willing to entertain a look at counter examples?
“Anyhow, as the “age of Trump” comes upon us, are there wiser ways to use FR than to chew the fat on behalf of particular parochial views? “
Probably not. If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it.
I would like to see SunkenCiv restored.
He has contributed greatly to this forum.
It is hard to talk with those on the left. They don’t want to deal with facts. Like that the KKK was the child and enforcement wing of the Democrat party. That the Segregationists were all Democrats. That JFK cut taxes. And every time taxes are cut, tax revenues rise. That the sun causes global warming and global cooling.
And this is a morass that has gotten so enticing that even I am seeing an impact in quality of life. Yes, putting too much energy into something can even sap our health.
“We’re absolutely correct about everything, and everything else has to budge for us” is going to leave us right where we were before. As well as that much worse for the mental labor we spent in asserting it, even against the Holy Spirit.
Hillary might have been too stinting on her identification of deplorables, if we are that way. She has hers, we have ours, and they, of course, deplore one another.
That’s a sad condition for a country to get into. (Ahh, ahh, ahh, what condition my condition was in.)
That is certainly another point of view. Let FR be what it always was, and don’t really care what impact it has upon the country.
I would predict, however, that if FR does not move to embrace the conciliatory space... then someone else will, and FR itself will be marginalized.
I believe under Trump, FR will become more relevant and useful.
I think we need to continue to convey our message.
All the FReepers who are ex-Left would disagree.
I wonder how many of us there are? A significant number, I reckon.
A Trumperrific day to you!
I would love to see a mathematically rigid and factual analysis of news reports by freep of msm news..so when they report stuff and it is eventually checked against all true facts to compare the percentage of truthful reporting..widely publishing this info will help public decide who to tuneout..so when some obviously biased and phony reporting like cnn is compared..many fair minded folks will ask their cable companies to remove cnn from their cable channel selections
I don’t think there’s a high likelihood of finding a conciliatory space anywhere in this political climate.
However, if you think you can do it, and are willing to take the lead, maybe it could work.
I’ve been here nearly 20 yrs, can’t think of a single tech upgrade yet...
So, no, you hit your dial up, wait for the screeching to stop...
Now, you're talking................
I don’t want to get along with the left. They’re evil and want to destroy our country and our society. They cannot be converted. They are hopelessly brainwashed. They can only be defeated and stripped of all power for all time.
All this granted — maybe it would become easier if we tried to understand the Left’s underlying language. Sometimes we could almost swear that their equivalent of “Cogito ergo sum” was “I feel, therefore I am.” Actually both aspects are equally important to mankind. Mankind was created to give glory to God, whose word embraces both kinds of actions of soul.
If we want to unite, we need to teach the Left about “think” at the same time we learn about “feel.”
“Righteousness and peace kiss one another.”
The Left could possibly be persuaded to realize that it has been running on a treadmill. The Left can’t just feel things into being. It has to think them into being too, or they never ever last. But when we ask them if they are tired of it, that speaks the feeling language.
I don’t either feel or think I have the time to spend extended effort on this right now. I’m trying to tame other tigers in my life. But maybe we can allow that nice thoughts are actually backed up by nice realities, once we actually allow ourselves to penetrate to God (and allow God to penetrate to us).
What if the Left could give up things that are keeping it from coming within the space of the center?
Then you would be getting along with transformed people.
Your assertion is ludicrous on its face. Haven’t you ever known anybody at all who shifted politically? Hello, Ronald Reagan?
Remember, “Freeze and polarize” were notably cited as strategy by, you know who? Who hinted the devil was his inspiration?
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