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Ken Ham Guardian of True Science
The Sensuous Curmudgeon ^ | February 11, 2017 | The Curmudgeon

Posted on 02/12/2017 12:20:53 PM PST by EveningStar

Creationists don’t like The Clergy Letter Project, a strong, pro-evolution statement signed by over 13,000 Christian clergymen. Here’s the Wikipedia article on it: Clergy Letter Project. The Project is exceedingly troublesome for creationists because it flatly contradicts their claim that one can’t be a good Christian and also accept evolution.

When we say the Clergy Letter is a strong statement, we’re not exaggerating. Part of it says:
We believe that the theory of evolution is a foundational scientific truth, one that has stood up to rigorous scrutiny and upon which much of human knowledge and achievement rests. To reject this truth or to treat it as “one theory among others” is to deliberately embrace scientific ignorance and transmit such ignorance to our children. We believe that among God’s good gifts are human minds capable of critical thought and that the failure to fully employ this gift is a rejection of the will of our Creator.

Among those who dislike the Clergy Letter Project is Ken Ham (ol’ Hambo), the ayatollah of Appalachia, famed not only for his creationist ministry, Answers in Genesis (AIG), but also for the infamous, mind-boggling Creation Museum, and for building an exact replica of Noah’s Ark. He is unquestionably the world’s holiest man who knows more about religion and science than everyone else.


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TOPICS: Education; Religion; Science; Society
KEYWORDS: clergyletterproject; creationism; kenham; religion; science; yec
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1 posted on 02/12/2017 12:20:53 PM PST by EveningStar
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To: EveningStar

“Ayatollah of Appalachia...”


2 posted on 02/12/2017 12:34:20 PM PST by Timpanagos1
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To: EveningStar

It’s not really an argument, it’s just contradiction and name-calling. That’s what I see over and over again.


3 posted on 02/12/2017 12:35:26 PM PST by ReagansShinyHair
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To: EveningStar

Atheists hate Ham like liberals hate Trump.


4 posted on 02/12/2017 12:44:49 PM PST by dartuser
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To: EveningStar

So, where do you stand with Mr. Ham?


5 posted on 02/12/2017 12:51:22 PM PST by PROCON (Defending the Border isn't a Political Option, it's a Constitutional Obligation ~ Rick Perry)
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To: PROCON

I’m not a creationist.


6 posted on 02/12/2017 12:53:49 PM PST by EveningStar
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To: EveningStar
We believe that the theory of evolution is a foundational scientific truth, one [...] upon which much of human knowledge and achievement rests.

Studies of biology textbooks and journal articles don't support the claim that "much of human knowledge" rests on the theory of evolution.

7 posted on 02/12/2017 1:04:23 PM PST by NobleFree ("law is often but the tyrant's will, and always so when it violates the right of an individual")
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To: EveningStar

So, 13,000 clergyman are saying that the God they claim to worship didn’t really create life as we know it, although the Book they claim to follow explicitly says that same God is the Creator of all things? Hmmmm.


8 posted on 02/12/2017 1:20:35 PM PST by allblues (God is neither a Republican nor a Democrat but Satan is definitely a Democrat)
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To: NobleFree; allblues

9 posted on 02/12/2017 1:23:47 PM PST by EveningStar
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To: EveningStar

That’s not what the theory says. Read Darwin’s Black Box by biochemist Michael Behe; you can download it for free at https://www.goodreads.com/ebooks/download/49038.Darwin_s_Black_Box


10 posted on 02/12/2017 1:30:02 PM PST by NobleFree ("law is often but the tyrant's will, and always so when it violates the right of an individual")
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To: EveningStar

Evolution has a basic problem. It has no starting point. When you nail an evolutionist down, they usually resort to the “seed of life” came from somewhere else in the universe. Otherwise, they have to acknowledge a “creator of the universe”, and, since that creator seems indistinguishable from God, they don’t want to do that. Making their problem even harder is the fact that their favorite theory of the physical universe has a beginning!

One of the real things that shows that Evolutionists don’t believe in evolution is that they support preserving “endangered species”. If they really believed in Evolution, the the extinction of an under-performing species in favor of a more adapted species would be desirable and would give them a chance to finally demonstrate the holy grail of evolution: a new species actually appearing by evolution from a preceding species.


11 posted on 02/12/2017 1:32:34 PM PST by SubMareener (Save us from Quarterly Freepathons! Become a MONTHLY DONOR)
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To: EveningStar

Is that an argument? Are you claiming that an omnipotent God could not be responsible for life as we know it? To suggest that random mutations could be the cause of current life forms, much less the observable Universe is to engage in a fantasy that requires unlimited faith in the implausible.


12 posted on 02/12/2017 1:33:49 PM PST by allblues (God is neither a Republican nor a Democrat but Satan is definitely a Democrat)
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To: NobleFree

And the evos story they put their faith in is even more out there than scientology. At least scientology’s wacko story has some purpose to it.

Because at the end of the evos story you cant ignore the last line, Its merely a random accident, all for No Purpose at all and has no inherent meaning.


13 posted on 02/12/2017 1:33:55 PM PST by Secret Agent Man ( Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: SubMareener

Evolution deals with life and change in living entities, not the origin of life. Abiogenesis deals with the origin of life. They aren’t the same thing.


14 posted on 02/12/2017 1:45:49 PM PST by JimSEA
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To: EveningStar

Well, a problem is that God tells us He not only created life, but specifically and personally created man. However, evolution leaves no room for that, since evolution is an impersonal and unintelligent process.

Those who believe in “guided evolution” do not believe in the theory of evolution any more than creationists, they just hope to shy away from a debate by pretending that they do.


15 posted on 02/12/2017 1:56:38 PM PST by Boogieman
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To: SubMareener

“Evolution has a basic problem. It has no starting point.”

That is not evolution’s problem.


16 posted on 02/12/2017 2:04:50 PM PST by TexasGator
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To: EveningStar
Among those who dislike the Clergy Letter Project is Ken Ham (ol’ Hambo), the ayatollah of Appalachia, famed not only for his creationist ministry, Answers in Genesis (AIG), but also for the infamous, mind-boggling Creation Museum, and for building an exact replica of Noah’s Ark. He is unquestionably the world’s holiest man who knows more about religion and science than everyone else.

Real scientific argument there...usually one resorts to name calling when one doesn't have an intelligent rebuttal. I've never heard of Ken Ham beheading anyone or even threatening anyone so i don't where the "ayatollah" thing comes from. Mr. Ham just happens to believe what he reads in the Bible and wants others to come to believe it also so they spend eternity in Hell. Of course everyone has a right to choose for themselves what they believe, but they should at least have an intelligent argument instead of just name calling.

17 posted on 02/12/2017 2:12:42 PM PST by Smittie (Just like an alien I'm a stranger in a strange land)
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To: SubMareener
Evolution has a basic problem. It has no starting point.

The Judeo-Christian diety has no starting point. A shared problem...

18 posted on 02/12/2017 2:18:53 PM PST by Poison Pill
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To: EveningStar

Are these the same fake “clergy” who ranks are filled with pedophiles?


19 posted on 02/12/2017 2:20:09 PM PST by Bodleian_Girl (Aldi has a great tasting Mocha Latte for only $1.16)
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To: Poison Pill

Not exactly. The Jewish Sages identify the Ein Sof as the creator of the universe who is outside of space and time. Time did not start until the Ein Sof created the universe and manifested as Elohim, the three in one god head, that interacts with His creation. The first verse in the Bible can be translated as: “In the beginning [Ein Sof] created Elohim, the heavens and the earth.”


20 posted on 02/12/2017 2:56:00 PM PST by SubMareener (Save us from Quarterly Freepathons! Become a MONTHLY DONOR)
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