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Why doing ‘something’ won’t stop the next school shooting
Las Vegas Review-Journal ^ | February 18, 2018 | Victor Joecks

Posted on 02/19/2018 10:44:10 AM PST by VegasVictor

After every mass shooting, Democrats and their allies in the media tell Americans to “do something.” The response to Wednesday’s horrific shooting in Florida was no different. ...

Across the country, Rep. Joe Kennedy III, part-time comedian Jimmy Kimmel and California Lt. Gov. Gavin Newsome all called on elected officials to “do something.”

But what is “something”? Without details, it’s like a group of lost hikers declaring they need to “find their way home.” Yes, everyone can agree with that, but which way do you go?

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1 posted on 02/19/2018 10:44:10 AM PST by VegasVictor
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To: VegasVictor

The problem is people whose “value system” allows them to shoot up innocents. That “value system” is what you get when you eliminate Christianity/Judaism from life in America.

Any way to fix that?

2 posted on 02/19/2018 10:47:07 AM PST by I want the USA back (Free Republic keeps me from going insane in a world that has chosen insanity over reason.)
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To: I want the USA back

Its a long response, but here is something from a guy named Simon Black, whose blog I read:

On the morning of May 18, 1927 in Bath Township, Michigan, a 55-year old municipal worker named Andrew Kehoe used a timed detonator to set off a bomb he had planted at the local school.

Kehoe was Treasurer of the School Board, so he had unfettered access to the school.

According to friends and neighbors, he was having personal issues with his wife (who he had murdered days prior) and extreme financial difficulties. He was also severely disgruntled about having lost a local election the previous autumn.

Whatever his reasons, Kehoe took out his rage on the 38 schoolchildren he killed that day.

It remains the deadliest attack on a school in US history.

Sadly, it wasn’t the first— there were numerous reports of school shootings throughout the 1800s and before.

And as we all know too well, it wouldn’t be the last.

Last week’s shooting in Florida is another tragic stain in the pages of US history. And it’s completely understandable that emotions are running high now.

People are demanding action. They want their government to “do something.”

The problem, of course, is what we’ve been talking about so far this year in our daily conversations: emotional decisions tend to be bad decisions— and that includes public policy.

We keep hearing the phrase “Common Sense Gun Laws,” for example.

And that certainly sounds reasonable. Who could possibly be against common sense?

[As an aside, I do wonder why “common sense” is only reserved for the gun control debate. Why doesn’t anyone demand common sense airport security? Or a common sense federal budget?]

But it’s never quite so simple.

Many of these “common sense” solutions are emotional reactions.

As an example, the Florida shooter in last week’s tragedy is only 19 years old. So now one of the proposals being tossed around is to have a minimum age limit to be able to purchase a firearm.

I suppose if the shooter happened to have been 70 years old, people would be talking about having a maximum age limit instead.

Yet neither of these “common sense solutions” really solves the problem.

A big part of this is because no one really knows what’s causing the problem to begin with.

We know that there are far too many people committing acts of violence in schools and other public places.

And, sure, a lot of the time they use firearms. But we’re also seeing murderous rampages with cement trucks, U-Hauls, and everyday appliances like pressure cookers.

Any of these can be turned into a weapon of mass destruction.

But the debate only focuses on firearms.

One side presupposes that more regulations and fewer guns will make everyone safer.

The other side of the debate, of course, argues that more guns and fewer regulations will make everyone safer.

The reality is that there’s no clear evidence that either side is correct.

Australia is often held up as an example of a nation that passed strict gun laws (including confiscation) in 1996 following several mass shootings.

And yes, gun violence dropped precipitously. Australia now has one of the lowest murder rates in the world.

But contrast that with Serbia, for example, which is the #2 country in the world in terms of guns per capita (the US is #1).

Serbia has a strong gun culture and fairly liberal laws. Yet its gun violence rate is incredibly low, on par with Australia’s.

There are plenty of examples in the world of places that passed strict gun laws, and violence decreased (Colombia).

Others where violence INCREASED after passing strict gun laws (Venezuela, Chicago).

Other examples of places which have LOW levels of gun violence, yet liberal laws (Serbia). And still others with LOW levels of gun violence and fairly strict laws (Chile).

The point is that you can look at the data 10,000 different ways and never really find a clear correlation. So there HAS to be something else going on.

Is it cultural? Perhaps.

Japan, for example, has extremely strict firearms laws. You can’t even own a sword without special permission.

And Japan, of course, has very limited gun violence. But this is not a violent culture to begin with.

You probably recall back in 2011 after the devastating earthquake and tsunami, Japanese people sat quietly outside of their collapsed homes and waited for authorities. No looting. No pillaging.

Contrast that with the city of Philadelphia earlier this month, where people were out rioting, looting, and setting property on fire… simply because their football team won the Super Bowl.

Perhaps there’s something about the US that has people so tightly wound they dive into violence at the first opportunity.

Maybe it’s all the medication people take. Or the crap in their food. Who knows. But it’s worth exploring the actual SOURCE of the problem rather than treating a symptom.

The larger issue, though, is that this “common sense” mantra is tied exclusively to LAWS.

Guess what? There are already laws, rules, regulations, and procedures on the books. They’re not working.

In the November 2017 mass shooting in Sutherland Springs, Texas, the shooter was able to purchase weapons because the Air Force erroneously failed to record his military court-martial.

And with the Florida shooting, the FBI had the suspect on a silver platter and did nothing.

It’s clear that the laws on the books aren’t being properly implemented. Yet the solution people want is MORE LAWS.

How about better execution? How about applying that all-important “common sense” to the way laws are carried out?

This is conspicuously missing from the debate.

There’s almost no conversation about what’s actually CAUSING the violence.

Instead, people are focused on a manifestation of that problem (guns) and demanding more laws to control that symptom even though the existing laws are being pitifully executed.

This is a pretty horrendous way to solve a problem.

3 posted on 02/19/2018 10:48:25 AM PST by PGR88
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To: VegasVictor

The shannon wattseses don’t care as long as anything gets done. Ineffective? Don’t care. Just as long as somebody does something it shows they REALLY, REALLY, REALLY care more than conservatives who would rather see kids dead than give up their rights. Well, that’s their story anyway.

4 posted on 02/19/2018 10:49:34 AM PST by rktman (Enlisted in the Navy in '67 to protect folks rights to strip my rights. WTH?)
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To: I want the USA back

Stop feeding people psychotropic drugs.

5 posted on 02/19/2018 10:51:21 AM PST by ilovesarah2012 (I)
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To: PGR88

If you don’t know the underlying symptoms you won’t fix he problem.

6 posted on 02/19/2018 10:51:24 AM PST by unixfox (Abolish Slavery, Repeal the 16th Amendment)
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To: VegasVictor

Gun confiscation Australian style is what they have in mind.

300 million+ guns and 2 trillion+ rounds of ammo are not going to be turned in.

The Brits tried to disarm Americans in 1775.

7 posted on 02/19/2018 10:52:30 AM PST by Lurkinanloomin (Natural Born Citizen Means Born Here of Citizen Parents__Know Islam, No Peace-No Islam, Know Peace)
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To: VegasVictor

Metal detectors seems like a somewhat workable prevention option.

8 posted on 02/19/2018 10:53:41 AM PST by dynoman (Objectivity is the essence of intelligence. - Marilyn vos Savant)
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To: VegasVictor

What caused you to excerpt your own material rather than posting it in full?

It’s just a free Wordpress blog.

9 posted on 02/19/2018 10:54:42 AM PST by humblegunner
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To: VegasVictor

What caused you to post your self-authored Wordpress blog as “News”?

10 posted on 02/19/2018 10:55:29 AM PST by humblegunner
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To: VegasVictor

I don’t recall much press at all when a lefty attacked Republicans at a softball game.

11 posted on 02/19/2018 10:55:30 AM PST by Jeff Chandler (President Trump divides Americans . . . from anti-Americans.)
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To: ilovesarah2012

Yep this guy and others were under the influence of powerful drugs.

Yet the liberals don’t want to talk about that. I stead they focus on guns. And on guns only.

12 posted on 02/19/2018 10:55:56 AM PST by Dilbert San Diego
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To: PGR88

In Japan, the suicide rate is way higher than North America (USA and Canada). The number of teenagers in that country who kill themselves (particularly around the time of the high school national exams there) quite likely outstrips the number killed in American school shooting incidents.

13 posted on 02/19/2018 10:57:18 AM PST by OttawaFreeper ("If I had to go to war again, I'd bring lacrosse players" Conn Smythe)
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To: Lurkinanloomin

Yeah right...ask Crocodile Dundee...ooopps!
He didn’t survive that aussie confiscation...........

14 posted on 02/19/2018 10:58:26 AM PST by gunnyg ("A Constitution changed from Freedom, can never be restored; Liberty, once lost, is lost forever...)
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To: dynoman

I agree. Metal detectors now.

15 posted on 02/19/2018 11:00:11 AM PST by Karoo
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To: OttawaFreeper

Jumping in front of trains was the preferred way to commit suicide in Japan in the ‘60’s and ‘70’s . I don’t know about that today.

16 posted on 02/19/2018 11:00:40 AM PST by laplata (Liberals/Progressives have diseased minds.)
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To: VegasVictor

17 posted on 02/19/2018 11:00:48 AM PST by defconw (Because Americans are dreamers, too!)
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To: VegasVictor
The latest shooting goes directly to the school's policy about not informing the police of ammunition in your book bag.

IIRC, Trayvon Martin's school cleaned their "bad boy" record to give the appearance of a great school. It was BS.

18 posted on 02/19/2018 11:02:39 AM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: VegasVictor

This is Planet Earth.

Bad things happen.

Free men are armed.

19 posted on 02/19/2018 11:03:16 AM PST by The Toll
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To: dynoman
Metal detectors seems like a somewhat workable prevention option.

Bingo. Gun confiscation is not gonna happen. Bringing back the insane asylums and going back to easier commitment grounds is not gonna happen. We live in a time of broken families, boys and girls growing up without fathers and violence glorified in movies and games. That won't change soon.

The "common sense" solution at least for the short term is security. Metal detectors, armed security and limited access points. It's already in many inner-city schools. It needs to happen in all schools.

Years ago when we had a couple of shootings in courtrooms out here the Chief Justice did not respond by calling for "common sense gun laws." The Judiciary responded by installing security. And we've had no more courthouse shootings since.

20 posted on 02/19/2018 11:03:18 AM PST by colorado tanker
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