Pro-gay activist ‘reinterpreted’ anti-homosexuality Bible verses in LGBT-‘affirming’ Harvard speech

The Blaze ^ | 18th April 2018 | Dave Urbanski

[Jim W N]

1 John tells us, “Little Children” [of the Father] that if and when we sin, we have “an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous: and he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world” (1 John 2:1-2).

Again you are warned that your false doctrine and false gospel of maintaining salvation by works is doubly cursed (Gal 1:8-9).

[Elsie]

Your doctrine of works to stay saved is "another gospel" which is twice cursed.

It appears that you'd read something into my posts that I did not write.

To remain a believer is NOT a work.

[Jim W N]

Yes, you are calling belief a work by saying you must maintain a certain “level” of belief (your undefined and vague standard which salvation by works always is which is BTW, the same as Muslims - they never know for sure if they’re going to heaven) to remain saved. That is YOU turning “belief” into a work. Once you are saved you remain saved because it is by grace NOT works. I’ve been over this more than once with you.

Good bye and good luck.

[HarleyD]

You are the one who are advocating people can simply "reinterpret" the scriptures to suit their whims and justify their causes. And it seems that you are interested in twisting what I state to suit some personal need. No where did I say you are saved by works. So there is no use in further discussions.

As for 1 John, it would be best if one would study the WHOLE book of scripture. John is very clear:

1Jn 3:6  No one who abides in him keeps on sinning; no one who keeps on sinning has either seen him or known him. 

1Jn 3:7  Little children, let no one deceive you. Whoever practices righteousness is righteous, as he is righteous. 

1Jn 3:8  Whoever makes a practice of sinning is of the devil, for the devil has been sinning from the beginning. The reason the Son of God appeared was to destroy the works of the devil. 

But you are totally free to believe what you want.

[Jim W N]

You are demanding, to again quote your doctrine, “people who continuously practice sin to fly in the face of God continues a downward spiral in which there is no hope”. You then go on to equivocate that you don’t necessarily mean “Christian” when you say “people”, yet the whole gist of your argument is about God judging the sins of Christians with the clear implication that a Christian can lose his salvation if he sins too much (sin is a work).

Thus, because your doctrine indicates that a Christian can lose his salvation by sinning too much, you espouse salvation/keeping your salvation by works. Of course your standard of unacceptable “continuously practice sin” is undefined and vague which is typical of the doctrine of salvation by works, which is BTW, the same as Muslims - they never know for sure if they’ve done too much bad to go to heaven.

But once you are saved you remain saved because salvation initially and forever, is by grace NOT the works of the law. Scripture says if it is works, it is not grace, and if grace not works (again, sin is a work). We’ve already been over this several times.

1 John is a difficult book to understand especially if you don’t pay attention to whom or about what John is speaking. John, like Peter, was an apostle mainly to the Jews. Sometimes he is speaking to the Agnostics (Chapt 1). Sometimes he is speaking to believers “My little children[of the Father] if we sin we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous: and he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world” (1 John 2:1-2). Sometimes he is referring to the New Man in you who never sins. “We know that whoever is born of God does not sin; but he who has been born of God keeps himself, and the wicked one does not touch him” (v 5:18). Your new man which is born of God cannot sin and never causes you to sin because it is born of God and lives forever - your spirit, the part of you that is going to heaven. Sin is triggered by the flesh (the mind, will, emotions, and body) which will be with you and thus trouble you, until you go to heaven upon which the flesh will perish and not go to heaven.

One thing is for certain, John, like James, does NOT contradict the gospel of the grace of Christ revealed by Paul especially in Romans and Galatians and will last forever (Rev. 22:21) as will all those who have received Christ because they continue in their salvation by the grace of Christ’s finished work, not by works including “not sinning”.

Good bye and good luck.