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Three Barrel Cigarette Ignition guns Captured by Australian Forces
Gun Watch ^ | 28 April, 2018 | Dean Weingarten

Posted on 04/29/2018 9:30:36 AM PDT by marktwain


These highly unusual firearms were captured by Australian forces after the occupation of East Timor by Indonesia. In 1999 and later, Australian forces were part of the UN forces used to keep order after Indonesia pulled their military forces out after 24 years of occupation.

Some of the unusual design features include the welded together three stacked barrels with the non-functional trigger guard and trigger. The ignition system is said to be designed for cigarettes, but any source of flame or a heated wire could work.  Using flash holes for open match ignition is usually a bad idea in multi-barreled guns, inviting multiple ignition or chain fire.

 From the Australilan Infantry Museum:

7. 3 BARREL PIPE GUNS

Captured by 3RAR Battle Group soldiers, these crudely made pipe guns were made and used by the Pro-Indonesia Militia in East Timor. The gun could be loaded with anything from gravel, nuts and bolts, to nails and cut wire. The load was then tamped with coconut fible and, using match heads as the propellant, it was then ignited by a cigarette at the breech end of the barrel.
Upon as close examination as the glass barrier would allow, it appeared the barrels were cut with a tubing cutter. It can work with soft steel, but leaves a uniform burr on the inside of the tube. The barrels looked to be water pipe of about .60 inch inside bore. On the pistol, the burr was not removed. The three barrel pistol may be mint, never fired. The three barrel long gun looked relatively unused as well, but the muzzle was not available for inspection.

Captured East Timor Three Barrel Cigarette Gun with Australian type F88 (AUG) for comparison.

It seems likely that anyone who used the long arm more than once would quickly do something to round the edges on the stock.

Speculation about the stepped barrel lengths failed to produce an obvious reason. Ease of loading? An attempt to prevent chain fire? That seemed unlikely when the close spaced touch-holes were considered.

I had read of cigarette ignition being used in the Philippines.  From ipfs.io:
Paltik is a Filipino term for a homemade revolver. It originated late in the Philippine-American War when guns and ammunition had become scarce. The most common form of the weapon was a gas pipe attached to a rifle stock. Wire was usually wrapped around the barrel to keep the pipe from expanding when the gun is fired. It was muzzle-loaded and fired a medium sized bullet or musket ball. A small hole at the breech end of the barrel accommodated a cigarette or match that was used to ignite the primer, making aiming difficult. This also gave rise to the nickname, "Cigarette Gun".
With East Timor in the general vicinity of the Philippines, this method could have been culturally transmitted or developed independently.

You would think a person who had access to a modern welder could devise a more sophisticated method of ignition.

Perhaps these unusual firearms were made as "trade" guns, with little expectation of reputation for efficacy reflecting on the maker.  They would have been strictly black market items in East Timor.

The straits between East Timor and Australia contain large reserves of oil and natural gas. Most of East Timor's income comes from the oil and gas industry.

©2018 by Dean Weingarten: Permission to share is granted when this notice and link are included.

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TOPICS: Military/Veterans; Politics; Society
KEYWORDS: banglist; gun; homemade; timor
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Guns are 500 year old technology.
1 posted on 04/29/2018 9:30:36 AM PDT by marktwain
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To: marktwain; Chode; Squantos; All

If all else fails PING

THANK YOU FOR THE POST!


2 posted on 04/29/2018 9:36:22 AM PDT by mabarker1 ((Progress- the opposite of congress))
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That’s right it’s time for a phased plasma rifle in the 40 watt range.


3 posted on 04/29/2018 9:45:06 AM PDT by Hoosier-Daddy ("Washington, DC. You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious")
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“That’s right it’s time for a phased plasma rifle in the 40 watt range.”

You know that there are politicians who think such things exist ? After worrying about Guam capsizing and how we left a flag on Mars nothing surprises me.

I mean, look at this piece of trash I saw on Drudge (He’s taken it down since) but just yesterday I read..

https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/world-news/699102/china-united-states-air-force-pilot-djibouti-africa-france-italy-spain-ww3-north-korea

WTF ? Turbo lasers ?! Like in Star Wars ?!


4 posted on 04/29/2018 9:54:11 AM PDT by Celerity
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damn... i'd rather have a good bow and arrow
5 posted on 04/29/2018 9:56:13 AM PDT by Chode (You have all of the resources you are going to have. Abandon your illusions and plan accordingly.)
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To: Chode

This thing looks like it could tear up everything 10 yards in front of one and maybe the shooter, too.


6 posted on 04/29/2018 9:58:57 AM PDT by arthurus (l)
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100%... better off to use a bow on somebody with a real gun than trust you like to a POS like that


7 posted on 04/29/2018 10:11:40 AM PDT by Chode (You have all of the resources you are going to have. Abandon your illusions and plan accordingly.)
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To: Celerity
Like in Star Wars ?!

Art Bell.

He had a great piece of classic radio with a guy on the phone "flying" over Area 51 when a turret appeared...

8 posted on 04/29/2018 10:32:10 AM PDT by Calvin Locke
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To: marktwain

I’ve got a pointy stick.


9 posted on 04/29/2018 10:35:44 AM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: mylife

Return of the matchlock!


10 posted on 04/29/2018 11:23:20 AM PDT by FiddlePig (The biggest threat to your sacred liberty is to not value it!)
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To: marktwain

I still remember the first time I saw AN AMERICAN GUERRILLA IN THE PHILIPPINES with Tyrone Power. It showed how to make a “slam fire shotgun”.

Earlier gun books showed how to make better muzzle loaders, black powder, and HARDING’S Magazine(FUR, FISH, GAME) showed how to cook up your own low grade smokeless powder.

Around 1970, Guns and Ammo printed an article on how prisoners in California prisons were making guns inside the walls, some were semi and full auto. Even the cases were handmade.

The idea that they can control guns is ridiculous.


11 posted on 04/29/2018 11:54:12 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar
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100%... better off to use a bow on somebody with a real gun than trust you like to a POS like that

True, but a descent bow is much harder to make. As is a descent arrow for that matter.

But if I had the choice between a knife and that pistol, I would choose the knife.

A knife is not going to blow up in my hand. And a simple knife can be made out of almost any piece of steel fairly easily.

12 posted on 04/29/2018 2:20:54 PM PDT by Pontiac (The welfare state must fail because it is contrary to human nature and diminishes the human spirit.)
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You can buy 1000 X better on any street corner in Brazil!


13 posted on 04/29/2018 2:23:50 PM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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Filipino "Ghost Guns" made with hand tools in hidden workshops are just a tad more sophisticated too.


14 posted on 04/29/2018 2:55:00 PM PDT by TigersEye (This is the age of the death of reason.)
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To: Pontiac

100% i was guessing you could still buy a bow/arrow, maybe not


15 posted on 04/29/2018 5:59:07 PM PDT by Chode (You have all of the resources you are going to have. Abandon your illusions and plan accordingly.)
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To: Chode

They are simply zip guns.


16 posted on 04/29/2018 9:42:51 PM PDT by arthurus (G)
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To: arthurus

maybe take yer hand off gun too


17 posted on 04/30/2018 4:11:53 AM PDT by Chode (You have all of the resources you are going to have. Abandon your illusions and plan accordingly.)
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To: Chode

Or a Rock.


18 posted on 05/01/2018 11:01:24 AM PDT by mabarker1 ((Progress- the opposite of congress))
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To: Celerity

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X-ray laser weapons have existed for a long time.
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19 posted on 05/01/2018 11:06:29 AM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: Kartographer

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We aren’t in Brazil.
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20 posted on 05/01/2018 11:09:22 AM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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