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Italians Desire for Gun Law Reform increases from 26% to 39%
Gun Watch ^ | 14 July, 2018 | Dean Weingarten

Posted on 07/14/2018 3:50:19 AM PDT by marktwain



Italians are questioning the reasonableness and effectiveness of their complex and strict gun control laws. From thelocal.com:
While 26 percent of people questioned in 2015 said they supported looser laws on owning a gun for self-defence, the latest research carried out by social studies institute Censis and private security sector organization Federsicurezza found that 39 percent were in favour.

The percentage was highest among people with a low level of education and the elderly, rising to 51 percent among respondents who hadn't completed high school and 41 percent for the over-65s.

The study also found that the number of Italians with guns is rising: there were a total of 1,398,920 gun permits in Italy in 2017, an increase of nearly 14 percent in the last year. Factoring in specialist licences for trap shooting and other sports, the authors estimate that some 4.5 million Italians have a gun in the house.
Italy has a long history of brave armed men. The illustration shows an Italian saint who inspired a campaign to make him the saint of handgunners, Saint Gabriel Possenti.

Most of Europe lacked strong gun restrictions until after WWI. Most European gun control was instituted between WWI and WWII, as totalitarian government grew across the continent. English gun control started in 1921, French in 1936. The current Italian gun control scheme started in 1931 under the Fascist government of Benito Mussolini. The laws came from a fear of political opposition. From davekope.com:
Modern Italian gun control laws date from the Fascist period; the Public Safety Act was passed in 1931 as one of a series of measures designed to put an end to leftist violence. Addressing the Italian Senate Benito Mussolini explained:
"The measures adopted to restore public order are: First of all, the elimination of the so-called subversive elements. ... They were elements of disorder and subversion. On the morrow of each conflict I gave the categorical order to confiscate the largest possible number of weapons of every sort and kind. This confiscation, which continues with the utmost energy, has given satisfactory results."
Yet after the fall of the Fascist regime, the gun-control law remained and was gradually made even more stringent. In response to Communist terrorism in the 1970's, a variety of laws were passed to disarm law-abiding people. More recent amendments force those who need the permit to carry firearms to demonstrate a "necessity," and to give the government extremely personal information, such as medical certificates.
 The crime rate dropped as Europe became more national and educated in the 19th century, but before the gun laws were adopted. Italy tended to lag behind with a higher crime rate than Northern Europe.  In the 20th century, it caught up.

The idea that gun control reduces the homicide rate is a myth. It is mostly unrelated.  Homicides were dropping before the gun control law was put in place in 1931. Homicides were at a low of 1.3/100K of population. They rose after the gun law was passed, and peaked at 4.6/100k in 1950.  Criminal homicides tend to drop during a war, but Italy lost the war.

They dropped to a low of 1.0 in 1972 (more controls put in during the 70's), peaked again at 2.2 in 1986, 3.3 in 1991, and have dropped to .9/100K in 2015, relatively little different than they were when the whole mess started in 1939.

Homicide has gone up and down in Italy, in spite of gun laws.

People in Italy are being exposed to ideas of freedom and individual responsibility. Those ideas include taking responsibility for your own safety.

Niccolo Machiavelli was born and raised in Italy, which was then a warring mix of small states. He has been called the father of modern political thought. He had an opinion about how being armed changes how people think. Machiavelli states it well in The Prince:
Because there is nothing proportionate between the armed and the unarmed; and it is not reasonable that he who is armed should yield obedience willingly to him who is unarmed, or that the unarmed man should be secure among armed servants. Because, there being in the one disdain and in the other suspicion, it is not possible for them to work well together.
Control whether a people are armed, and you control how they think. A person who has no choice to be armed will think differently than a person who can chose to be armed.

Much of the push for gun control in the modern state is a desire to control how the common man thinks.

Controlling personal weapons helps to cement control of the state in the hands of the elite.


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TOPICS: Government; History; Politics; Society
KEYWORDS: 2ndamendment; banglist; defense; europe; europeanunion; guns; italy; nato; nra; secondamendment
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The propaganda to convince people they are safer when disarmed, is failing in Italy.
1 posted on 07/14/2018 3:50:19 AM PDT by marktwain
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To: marktwain

Gun control is really about protecting governments and criminals.


2 posted on 07/14/2018 3:59:12 AM PDT by riverrunner
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To: marktwain

If they bring a knife, you bring a gun.


3 posted on 07/14/2018 4:12:28 AM PDT by MUDDOG
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To: marktwain

They’d be such a great country if they weren’t so averse to deodorant.


4 posted on 07/14/2018 4:26:15 AM PDT by Artemis Webb (Maxine Waters for House Minority Leader!!)
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To: Artemis Webb

Never been there. But all my grandparents were born there. No smell.

Where do you get your information?


5 posted on 07/14/2018 4:28:29 AM PDT by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: Vaquero

Lots of Europeans take baths/showers less frequently than Americans.

Their water systems are much less reliable.


6 posted on 07/14/2018 4:35:33 AM PDT by marktwain (President Trump and his supporters are the Resistance. His opponents are the Reactionaries.)
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To: Vaquero

From knowing a LOT of Italians.


7 posted on 07/14/2018 4:36:11 AM PDT by Artemis Webb (Maxine Waters for House Minority Leader!!)
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To: MUDDOG

...If they bring a knife, you (we) bring a gun...

Barack Hussein Obama in Philadelphia. 06/13/2008


8 posted on 07/14/2018 5:19:41 AM PDT by Sasparilla ( I'm Not Tired of Winning)
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To: riverrunner
Gun control is really about protecting governments and criminals.

Redundant, nevertheless true.

9 posted on 07/14/2018 5:55:08 AM PDT by Roccus (When you talk to a politician...ANY politician...always say, "Remember Ceausescu")
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To: marktwain
The percentage was highest among people with a low level of education and the elderly, rising to 51 percent among respondents who hadn't completed high school and 41 percent for the over-65s.

Those least able to defend themselves with money and muscle are the most supportive of armed self defense.


10 posted on 07/14/2018 6:14:58 AM PDT by Pollster1 ("Governments derive their just powers from the consent of the governed")
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"The illustration shows an Italian saint who inspired a campaign to make him the saint of handgunners, Saint Gabriel Possenti."

Is he shooting a snake?

I didn't know there were venomous snakes in Italy. If one were Catholic, one would suppose he didn't make it all the way to Saint?

11 posted on 07/14/2018 6:58:27 AM PDT by OKSooner (Don't be a Fudd.)
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A gang of rampaging mercenaries had invaded his village.

He walked up to them with two revolvers.

They looked at him.

A lizard started running across the street.

He shot it. They were impressed and left town peacefully.

No rapes, no murders.


12 posted on 07/14/2018 7:00:53 AM PDT by marktwain (President Trump and his supporters are the Resistance. His opponents are the Reactionaries.)
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To: OKSooner

From the link in the article:

At that moment a small lizard ran across the road between Possenti and the soldiers. When the lizard briefly paused, Possenti took careful aim and struck the lizard with one shot. Turning his two handguns on the approaching soldiers, Possenti commanded them to drop their weapons. Having seen his handiwork with a pistol, the soldiers complied. Possenti ordered them to put out the fires they had set, and upon finishing, marched the whole lot out of town, ordering them never to return. The grateful townspeople escorted Possenti in triumphant procession back to the seminary, thereafter referring to him as “the Savior of Isola”.


13 posted on 07/14/2018 7:04:22 AM PDT by marktwain (President Trump and his supporters are the Resistance. His opponents are the Reactionaries.)
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Well hey, what a cool guy, a hero in fact.

One would be sorry he didn't get the full initiation to Saint, if one were Catholic.

14 posted on 07/14/2018 7:13:56 AM PDT by OKSooner (Don't be a Fudd.)
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To: marktwain

A different culture over here in the U, S, of A, where stepping outside your log cabin in the morning left you vulnerable to death (or WORSE) by the scalping knife, etc.....................

Happiness is (still) a warm gun.


15 posted on 07/14/2018 7:27:18 AM PDT by Flintlock (The ballot box STOLEN, our soapbox taken away--the BULLET BOX is left to us.)
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To: OKSooner

He is already a saint.

There is a movement to make him the saint of handgunners.


16 posted on 07/14/2018 7:30:26 AM PDT by marktwain (President Trump and his supporters are the Resistance. His opponents are the Reactionaries.)
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To: marktwain
That may have been the case 50 years ago but most people I know in Italy bath daily.

Maybe if you're in Spuntalurina, Calabria the water system isn't that good but in general, Italians have been real good at water systems for more than 2000 years.

Of course, Naples just stinks generally.

17 posted on 07/14/2018 7:33:50 AM PDT by InABunkerUnderSF (Time to BLOAT again.)
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To: marktwain
"Is", not "was"?

Is there a place where a Protestant mutt can send $10 to help out? :)

18 posted on 07/14/2018 8:24:38 AM PDT by OKSooner (Free Paul Manafort.)
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To: Artemis Webb

“From knowing a LOT of Italians.”

More likely you hit on a LOT of Italian girls who rejected you.


19 posted on 07/14/2018 8:37:40 AM PDT by Brooklyn Attitude (The first step in ending the war on white people is to recognize it exists.)
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To: OKSooner

Catholic Saints are generally so designated long after they have died.

Here is a link to the Possenti society:

http://www.gunsaint.com/what.asp


20 posted on 07/14/2018 8:42:46 AM PDT by marktwain (President Trump and his supporters are the Resistance. His opponents are the Reactionaries.)
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