Skip to comments.Veritas AR Pistols aren't just Rifles
Posted on 10/11/2018 5:24:22 AM PDT by w1n1
Considering the outrage against semiautomatic rifles in the news lately, some might question the sanity of a recommendation for the AR platform. Let me explain.
FIRST, FROM THE historical side of it. The group of people I put as the best ever overall citizens in the United States who used guns in their daily lives were the pioneers of the 1800s traveling west in covered wagons and building homes in the open prairie.
It was not uncommon for them to have the newest weaponry of some kind of single-action sixshooter like a Colt, a double-barreled shotgun (usually under 16 inches for concealability) and the most popular assault rifle of the day, the Winchester lever-action.
And every man, woman and child knew how to safely use those weapons with great proficiency.
Why? Because those weapons provided food on the table and protection from hostiles and marauders.
So what has changed between the hostiles and marauders of yesterday and those of today?
Nothing much, except for the fact that the evil men of today are getting more violent and more aggressive, preying on victims who are helpless against them, because some social bureaucrats who are well protected from violence themselves with armed guards see fit to restrict the very guns that would help the common citizen household.
The AR platform is also ideal for self-defense. Read the rest of Veritas AR Pistols.
With the advent of pistol braces, the whole notion of a short barreled rifle with a $200 tax stamp (and 6-9 month wait) is ludicrous.
Heck, some pistol “arm braces” are nicer stocks than the bottom-of-the-line Magpul MOE stock I have on my rifle.
That’s not a pistol in the picture.
Sure it is. Bbl length less than 16”, not intended to be fired from the shoulder ( the “brace” at the rear is not a butt stock per BATFE rules).
The “brace rules clearly indicate that although the “brace can be used incidentally as a shoulder stock, it is not design as such. It is designed to stabilize the pistol when fired one handed and clamps around the firing hand forearm....
Only problem with such “rules” is they are indeed subject to change and then the owner either has to modify or declare it as AOW or SBR and figure out how to dispose or register it appropriately.
“It’s the law, it doesn’t have to make sense” as stated by a local MO firearms attorney.
That might work as long as you don't find yourself in front of a judge and jury with eyes and common sense.
Since the 556 loses quite a bit of capability from bbls shorter than about 14-16”, I do not like AR pistols with really short bbls.
The capability losses are magnified with increased flash, blast and generally over-gassed operation parameters ( gas port pressure in the 30k + PSI range which makes for reliability concerns etc).
While a 14.5 “ M4 is an SBR, add 1.5” and you have a legal ifle. Which will provide CQB and combat range capability with good terminal ballistics out to 200m with proper ammunition (heavy for caliber 75-77s and perhaps monumental bullets of the expanding variety loaded at 556 Nato pressures ( which is really 223 rem pressures just measured a t a different location in the test gun chamber 55K PSI/50K CUP/SAAMI or 63500PSI CIP/NATO pressures, but that is a long story in itself with much misunderstanding).
As it is, the short bbl AR pistol ( “SBARP” if you will), loses way too much and only gain s a few inches of “portability/concealability”, to me that is not a good trade.
The 16” carbine with 77 IMI razor core goes at 2740 from my carbine, while it only runs at 2200 from my 10” SBARP, that’s a loss of fragmentation range from about 90-10m to zero ( which is why the SBARP supposedly penetrates more than the carbine length- it does not expand or yaw at high enough velocity ( about 2400fps) to fragment, which basically defeats the unique characteristic of the 556 round from jump street.
If you need a 556 caliber gun for concealment, you probably need a fire team and an OW element too. May as well carry a concealed fighting pistol and have the rifle of preference nearby, and fight to it when the chips fall badly....
Now, with medium weight bullets ( 40-50 varmint or monometal) you can reach 2500 or more fps which brings you back into decent terminal performance and still be able to penetrate NIJ TL3A soft armor.
Even with the full up 556 or even the 30/06 162 grn AP ( the test standard for SAPI plates) you won’t, except with near same hole multiple hits) defeat TL4 plate.
Aim for the sides, bottom and top of anyone you suspect to be hard armored with any rifle, aim higher or lower still more and farther from the center with common handguns on anyone suspected of being soft armored- as the standard today is NIJ TL3. Bad guys may be bad, but they ain’t stupid. That’s the facts.
Look it up friend, the law is the law. AFTE approves braces for AR pistols. Having a lawful weapon is an affirmative defense.
Common sense is not a criteria for the law or a jury, just the law as written.
Uh, PAR35 could be referring to one’s winding up before an Obama judge and a minority jury. Prosecution holds up a pistol braced AR and the jury gasps at the `illegality’ of it.
Common sense frequently is a victim in the courtroom; ask any divorce lawyer. Perception trumps law.
I looked at one; I put the pistol brace up to my shoulder & the store owner said “Now, that’s illegal”. Maybe he was required to say so.
BATFE is not a friend of liberty in any case.
Okay. So don’t get one. BTW, compared civil cases to criminal cases is mostly apples and oranges.
The law is still the law,or in this case, regulations.
NO, you idiot,, the minimum length for a shotgun barrel is 18 inches, not 16!!!!
I can't for the life of me understand why so many Freepers are so slavishly devoted to carrying ASJ's water when those morons know less about firearms than my hedgehog.
And it's not just a typo because dear old Paul Pawela -- should I call him PP? It seems apropos for some perverse reason -- makes the same mistake repeatedly through the article.
IIRC, the law once did say 18” shotgun & rifle but was later changed to 16” rifle after millions of M-1 carbines with 16” barrels wound up in private hands following WWII.
That came up again when GCA ‘68 was passed. I could be wrong.
“...after millions of M-1 carbines with 16 barrels wound up in private hands following WWII...”
All original (WW2) M1 Carbines made under contract for the US government had 18-inch barrels, not 16-inch barrels. Same with military M1A1, M2, and M3 Carbines.
After the war, copies of the Carbine were manufactured by a number of different companies, with varying degrees of interchangeability with originals, in calibers from 22 rimfire up to 44 Magnum. “Pistol” variants were made, most notably the Enforcers, produced by Plainfield and Iver Johnson, that had barrels extending just past the tip of the forend.
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