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The real problem with Elizabeth Warren's DNA test: Geneticists
ABC News ^ | October 18, 2018 | Chris Francescani

Posted on 10/18/2018 9:11:03 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

Does Massachusetts Senator Elizabeth Warren really have Native American blood running through her veins?

It's scientifically impossible to know for sure, according to a collection of leading geneticists, industry experts, research scientists with expertise in indigenous genetics and Native American leaders who spoke with ABC News.

The process of tracing one's ancestry is still evolving, geneticists told ABC News, and efforts to establish genetic affiliation with an indigenous group like Native Americans are at best thorny and uncertain, and, in the extreme, offensive.

Some experts were critical of Warren's press conference this week and her latest declarations.

Numerous experts also said that the Native American gene databases are too thin to make definitive conclusions about ancestry as far back in a person's lineage as Warren laid claim to again this week.

One leading Native American anthropologist -- Dr. Kim Tallbear -- characterized Warren's Monday press conference and declarations as just the latest incidence in a decades-old practice of white Americans co-opting the Native American identity when it suits them.

Finally, critics said, using DNA to claim an ancestral affiliation with Native Americans contravenes contemporary notions of Native American identity, and, to some in the Native American community, is simply insulting.

Some experts, including Tallbear, saw Warren's DNA test as an affront to Native Americans' spiritual heritage, which is based on long and deeply-held tribal beliefs that the tribes have for centuries occupied the land on which their reservations sit.

Warren's renewed claims to Native American heritage touch on an extremely delicate subject among U.S. geneticists who study indigenous genomics. Several of a dozen scientists and experts interviewed by ABC News asked to talk on background in order to speak frankly and avoid any political blowback....

(Excerpt) Read more at abcnews.go.com ...


TOPICS: Politics; Science; Society
KEYWORDS: dna; elizabethwarren; fauxahontas; genealogy; godsgravesglyphs; helixmakemineadouble; indians; massachusetts; pocahontas; slingingbull; trump; warren
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1 posted on 10/18/2018 9:11:03 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“Several of a dozen scientists and experts”

Hmm. That said, Psychogewea is having a hell of a time getting vindication. Heh heh heh. Most amusing.


2 posted on 10/18/2018 9:19:51 PM PDT by bluejean (I'm becoming a cranky old person. It really annoys me.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“the latest incidence in a decades-old practice of white Americans co-opting the Native American identity”

Look, do you want to be loved or not?


3 posted on 10/18/2018 9:21:29 PM PDT by BenLurkin (The above is not a statement of fact. It is either satire or opinion. Or both.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Ancestry only means that a long time ago (in Warren’s case, six to 10 generations, or likely well over 100 years) a native ancestor in the nether-reaches of the Warren family tree was an Indigenous to either South or North America in the ‘23 and Me’ so called DNA study.

Below is Warren’s DNA reality re Cherokee and American DNA.

Zero DNA donors from South America were Cherokee.

DNA donors from Canada if any, were not Cherokees.

DNA donors from our America with Native American DNA could have come from over 100 tribes, not Cherokee.

A couple of other realities re the founder of 23 and Me:

What super large data spying corporation is the Founder of 23 and Me and her sister connected to?

Answer G$$$$E.

Would any sane person trust any critical information like Fauxahontas’s DNA if it came from G$$$$E?

What is the rating of 23 and Me re accuracy in identying Native American DNA?

Here are the best DNA tests*
Updated: October 2018

AncestryDNA: (see promo) best for cousin matching, most geographic regions for ethnicity
FamilyTree DNA: best for serious genealogy, YDNA and mtDNA tests
MyHeritage: best autosomal test on a budget
23andMe: best for genetic health screening, not genealogy
Living DNA: best for roots in British Isles

*https://www.smarterhobby.com/genealogy/best-dna-test/#tab-con-17


4 posted on 10/18/2018 9:22:45 PM PDT by Grampa Dave (Dems @ the Kavanaugh lynching, told Americans that non gay men of any color have Zero future w/them!)
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Warren's real moral turpitude was to advance her career by using an accommodation for a visible minority that she was not entitled to. She is a white middle class woman who has never lived as an indian, nor suffered any hardship as an indian. She is not an Indian.

Warren is objectively whiter than Ivory soap which touts it's purity as 9944100 percent pure. Warren is whiter than Ivory soap.


5 posted on 10/18/2018 9:25:04 PM PDT by Governor Dinwiddie (I don't know nothin' 'bout birthin' babies!)
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Here’s the thing. Warren had no idea if she was really part Indian when she declared she was. There was no scientific basis for her claim way back when.

She then took advantage of the family “rumor” to gain Financially, Personally, Professionally and Politically.

Funny how nobody talks about that. She was a fraud from the get go and she is not being held accountable for that.


6 posted on 10/18/2018 9:38:08 PM PDT by Kickass Conservative (THEY LIVE, and we're the only ones wearing the Sunglasses.)
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Hey, Sen. Warren. take a look at a real Native American/European gentleman who made it to the Vice Presidency in 1929. His name is Charles Curtis. He actually lived on a reservation, spoke Kansa and had the nicknabe “Indian Charley” when he was eight.

Btw, he was a Republican.


7 posted on 10/18/2018 9:38:33 PM PDT by skr (May God confound the enemy)
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To: skr

That is interesting info.


8 posted on 10/18/2018 9:58:13 PM PDT by MileHi (Liberalism is an ideology of parasites, hypocrites, grievance mongers, victims, and control freaks.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I wonder what the DNA tests would show if you go to Eastern Europe, Africa, India and China and test the people there. Will these people have a % “American Indian” blood in them?


9 posted on 10/18/2018 10:03:02 PM PDT by Cowboy Bob ("Other People's Money" = The life blood of Liberalism)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I thought she based her Native American heritage on a secret shack-up with Ward Churchhill.

Whatever happened to him, anyhow?


10 posted on 10/18/2018 10:19:08 PM PDT by Ronin (I need a new tagline...)
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11 posted on 10/18/2018 10:22:13 PM PDT by keat
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Some experts, including Tallbear, saw Warren’s DNA test as an affront to Native Americans’ spiritual heritage, which is based on long and deeply-held tribal beliefs that the tribes have for centuries occupied the land on which their reservations sit.


What is TallBear saying? That it is an affront that Grey Beaver doesn’t live on a reservation?


12 posted on 10/18/2018 10:26:18 PM PDT by Yaelle
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To: Kickass Conservative

She then took advantage of the family “rumor” to gain Financially, Personally, Professionally and Politically.


This dishonesty, that she profited from it, is why she should not be in public office. As well as never be elected to any other high office: she is too insecure. She has no leadership qualities and she is not comfortable in her own skin.


13 posted on 10/18/2018 10:27:42 PM PDT by Yaelle
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Does Massachusetts Senator Elizabeth Warren really have Native American blood running through her veins?

...more like coconut milk and WD40...

14 posted on 10/18/2018 10:57:21 PM PDT by Doogle (( USAF.68-73....8th TFW Ubon Thailand....never store a threat you should have eliminated)))
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That is precisely right, and of course the ABC article does not mention it.

She knew that she did not know whether or not she had American Indian heritage, but she knew that pretending to have such heritage -- lying -- would make her much more likely to be hired. Her scam worked.

She should now be cleaning toilets on a Cherokee or Delaware reservation.

15 posted on 10/18/2018 11:18:15 PM PDT by TChad
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To: MileHi
If you don't want the laws enforced, then don't vote for me.—Charles Curtis
16 posted on 10/19/2018 12:34:43 AM PDT by skr (May God confound the enemy)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

National Geographic reported that it is difficult to get native Americans to provide specimen ie saliva etc DNA sampling.

Hey, Folks, this makes me ask the big “why“? Could it be that Native Americans of citizenship do not want to know exactly if they are truly native American? Why not subject the tribe to DNA testing?

It’s also true that Warren is claiming the ancestry not citizenship. What really matters is how Williams translate at the ballot box.


17 posted on 10/19/2018 1:23:58 AM PDT by nikos1121 (With Trump, we have our own Age of Pericles)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Warren has an ironic twist on racial identity. Segregationists and the Nazis maintained that even one drop of blood in your ancestry that was not white or aryan made you racially impure. Warrens dubious claims to Native American ancestry hinge on that same belief that some ridiculously small percent of your DNA makes you that race.


18 posted on 10/19/2018 3:41:03 AM PDT by The Great RJ ("Socialists are happy until they run out of other people's money." Margaret Thatcher)
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To: Governor Dinwiddie

but, does she float?


19 posted on 10/19/2018 3:57:53 AM PDT by euram
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To: Cowboy Bob

I know a guy whose ancestors all came from Finland about 100 years ago, yet he tests as about 2 percent American Indian.


20 posted on 10/19/2018 4:00:40 AM PDT by euram
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