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California Shooter Likely Prescribed Drugs by the VA that are Tied to Most Mass Shootings
DC Clothesline ^ | 11/10/2018 | Matt Agorist

Posted on 11/10/2018 9:58:42 AM PST by deandg99

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To: imardmd1

“”the VA was treating him with””

You got that from the article? I sure didn’t see anything that said he was getting treatment at the VA...


41 posted on 11/10/2018 1:14:35 PM PST by Thank You Rush
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To: Yaelle

It doesn’t make sense that he wouldn’t have been weeded out before or soon after joining the Marines if that was true.


42 posted on 11/10/2018 1:21:01 PM PST by Thank You Rush
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To: Bonemaker

Think of it this way ...

The horrors of war can warp even the strongest minds into the hell of PTSD. God bless our Wounded Warriors!

But how susceptible to PTSD are the “snowflakes” that are half-way warped already? Those little dumplings are ENRAGED by anything so how are they going to avoid the ravages of PTSD from daily events like driving or child raising? Poor little things. Drugs, maybe?


43 posted on 11/10/2018 1:34:00 PM PST by DNME (The only solution to a BAD guy with a gun is a GOOD guy with a gun.)
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To: BeauBo

I guess they are referring to a class of common anti-depressants


The article is guessing too. Makes both of you. Like I said, the article is garbage. Simply an eye catching headline with zero evidence.


44 posted on 11/10/2018 1:49:27 PM PST by cornfedcowboy
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To: RedMonqey

I don’t have links for you, but you will find some examples, and I know some patients who have actually explained that the meds gave them a quiet determination to attempt suicide whereas before they didn’t have the energy. That is just personal stories but I believe it. Sometimes you have to zonk the patient into a stupor in order that they don’t commit suicide the second they are alone. Sad. Better if they can be inpatient in some place really nice but supervised. And not have to be stoned out of their minds to keep them alive, because how is that life?


45 posted on 11/10/2018 2:34:39 PM PST by Yaelle
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To: DNME

“But how susceptible to PTSD are the “snowflakes” that are half-way warped already? “

Not many Audie Murphys or Alvin Yorks in that cohort.


46 posted on 11/10/2018 2:45:56 PM PST by Bonemaker (invictus maneo)
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To: deandg99

“I wish we knew what caused mass shootings”

“All the shooters are on a specific antidepressant.”

“I think it’s the guns. Did you know that people can use guns to fight is tyrants? “


47 posted on 11/10/2018 3:08:13 PM PST by Celerity
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To: rockinqsranch

“Likely!?”

We’re not supposed to notice that there is no evidence for this other than writer’s imagination.

If we go by the hours devoted to Ian Long on KFI, he wasn’t being treated by anyone for anything.

His mother and her neighbors suspect that he was afflicted with PTSD. He MAY have been a user of ‘molly’ aka ecstacy, and/or beer. There’s been no toxicology results yet so there’s no evidence that he had those in him either. He may just have been very, very mentally ill. Those who knew him since childhood said he had always seemed odd or sad.


48 posted on 11/10/2018 3:28:13 PM PST by Pelham (Secure Voter ID. Mexico has it, because unlike us they take voting seriously)
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To: Thank You Rush
In this, you are right. I should have copied from the title:

"the VA was likely treating him with"

However, let us see how the story plays out when all the facts are published. I'd bet on him receiving Psychoactive drugs aggravating his mental state. To my understanding, some of these chemistries suppress one's inhibitions (more speculation). I have seen that effect in a person taking Prozac.

49 posted on 11/10/2018 3:39:10 PM PST by imardmd1 (Fiat Lux)
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To: RedMonqey
Three: Doctors don't hand these pills out like candy, people on these drugs ALREADY have psychological issues and likely already commented violence acts...absolutely - they have psychological issues and are put on the meds to help control them - the meds are not effective in all cases or more likely, as happens with many "on" psychotropic meds, they start feeling better or that that they don't need the meds and go "off" of them, and act out - and of course you never hear about the millions of people over the years who've been on psychotropics and never committed a violent act - too complicated for most.......
50 posted on 11/10/2018 4:46:16 PM PST by Intolerant in NJ
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To: dp0622

Level 5 is low risk for abuse, level 1 are high risk illicits such as heroin, cocaine THC etc. oxycodone morphine are legal but high risk and are level 2. Benzos are level 3.

Lyrica and gabapentin are anti-neuropathic drugs that are similar to the neurotransmitter gaba which blocks calcium channels in brain and spinal cord, not SSRI or effect on dopamine metabolism.

Exercise and clean diet are best treament for depression. Cracking open your Bible also helps. But don’t tell anyone; it’s not PC, no one will make any money with that advice, and the pharmaceutical industry that pays for all the studies will disagree.


51 posted on 11/10/2018 5:12:22 PM PST by grumpygresh (Abolish administrative law. It's regressive, medieval and unconstitutional!)
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To: Bonemaker

Actually Audie Murphy had PTSD. It’s not a lack of courage that makes someone develop PTSD.


52 posted on 11/10/2018 8:30:38 PM PST by OIFVeteran
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To: OIFVeteran

Probably every cop, fireman and EMT has it not to mention tens of millions of other everyday people for one reason or another. It’s the human condition.


53 posted on 11/11/2018 7:38:59 AM PST by Bonemaker (invictus maneo)
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To: deandg99

He was a mental mess BEFORE he went to war. War did nothing to help, but I am not blaming this on PTSD.


54 posted on 11/11/2018 7:40:18 AM PST by Vermont Lt
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To: carriage_hill

I’ve been on one of those. Sure getting off them is a nightmare. But there was no desire to hurt anyone else. I thought about whacking myself a few times. But not because of PTSD.


55 posted on 11/11/2018 7:43:11 AM PST by Vermont Lt
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