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The Iconic Tommy Gun
Am Shooting Journal ^ | 1/4/2019 | R Reed

Posted on 01/04/2019 4:57:17 AM PST by w1n1

Few firearms have earned the mystique that the Thompson submachine gun has enjoyed for nearly a century. The long association that the "Tommy Gun" has had with gangsters, G-men and G.I.s has made it a movie star, a prized collectible, and an American icon.

Thompson believed recoil or gas operated weapons were too heavy and complicated for this role and sought a new method of operation. He formed the Auto-Ordnance Company (AOC), found financial backing, and hired engineers to help develop this weapon.

Thompson seized upon the concept of the Blish Lock, developed by John Bell Blish (a career U.S. naval officer and inventor), as the key element for the design.
The principle is that dissimilar materials adhere to each other on an inclined plane with greater force than similar materials. When work revealed that the .30-06 cartridge was too powerful for this system, the weapon was designed around the standard .45 ACP pistol round instead. In the final design, an H-shaped bronze wedge would adhere to the steel bolt to keep the breech closed until pressure dropped to a safe level.

The resulting weapon was dubbed the Annihilator I. This initial offering resembled later versions of the Thompson SMG, except that instead of a buttstock, it had only rear and forward pistol grips. The distinctive drum magazine also appeared for the first time. However, by the time the prototypes were ready, the war was over, and Auto-Ordnance now had to figure out how to sell a gun designed and produced for a war that had just ended. Read the rest of Tommy gun.


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1 posted on 01/04/2019 4:57:17 AM PST by w1n1
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I suspected an original one of these is worth a pretty penny. Looks like they go for around $25,000.


2 posted on 01/04/2019 5:06:05 AM PST by V_TWIN
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I have an SS Black Widow Luger (42). I get a Thompson submachine gun and I’ll be happy. The wife......Not so much.


3 posted on 01/04/2019 5:13:51 AM PST by traderrob6
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To: V_TWIN
I suspected an original one of these is worth a pretty penny. Looks like they go for around $25,000.

Which is about the going price for any transferable submachine gun these days.

Transferable fully automatic M16s go for around the same price, due mostly to their transferability, not their collectability.

4 posted on 01/04/2019 5:20:05 AM PST by Yo-Yo ( is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
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To: w1n1

They issued one to my dad and he was too small to use it so he swapped it for a carbine. If you are not going to use a weapon, get the lightest one to carry.


5 posted on 01/04/2019 5:20:08 AM PST by AppyPappy (How many fingers am I holding up, Winston?)
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To: w1n1
The ones I've picked up at gun shows were real boat anchors.
While they're still loaded with "cool factor", for firing a pistol cartridge I'm thinkin there's lots better options. d;^)
6 posted on 01/04/2019 5:26:17 AM PST by CopperTop (Outside the wire it's just us chickens. Dig?)
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To: V_TWIN
From the article;

The Thompson remains one of the most collectable full-auto firearms, with prices ranging from $15,000 for a 1970s production gun up to $45,000 or more for a Model 1921 or Model 1928.

7 posted on 01/04/2019 5:31:27 AM PST by eartick (Stupidity is expecting the government that broke itself to go out and fix itself. Texan for TEXIT!)
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A chopper or Chicago typewriter.


8 posted on 01/04/2019 5:31:46 AM PST by wally_bert (We're low on dimes in fun city.)
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While reading this article a Warren Zevon tune waifted into my head...


9 posted on 01/04/2019 5:49:46 AM PST by BBB333 (The Power Of Trump Compels You!)
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That’s a scary picture of an old white racist with an assault rifle. /s/


10 posted on 01/04/2019 5:54:28 AM PST by redfreedom (.)
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I own a semi-auto version called a Fox.45 carbine. fun to shoot even in semi-auto form. AOC makes or made a semi-auto version that as recently as a few years ago were readily available for 750 to 1500 dollars


11 posted on 01/04/2019 6:17:44 AM PST by gdc61 (LOL not.)
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Fox 45,,
I’ll check it out.


12 posted on 01/04/2019 6:34:49 AM PST by Big Red Badger (Despised by the Despicable!)
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To: w1n1

Real interesting.
Thanks!


13 posted on 01/04/2019 6:44:47 AM PST by Verbosus (/* No Comment */)
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The Blish lock and oiling system were complicated and ultimately unnecessary. When Savage Arms simplified the design during WWII into the Thompson M1 and M1A1 models (yes, the U.S. Army used “M1” a lot), they went to a straight blowback action, and it worked just fine.


14 posted on 01/04/2019 6:47:54 AM PST by Rinnwald
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To: gdc61

Interesting piece,
Fox started out with a knockoff
of the “Grease Gun.”


15 posted on 01/04/2019 8:21:19 AM PST by Big Red Badger (Despised by the Despicable!)
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To: w1n1
I fell in love with the Thompson as a kid watching The Untouchables.


16 posted on 01/04/2019 8:26:08 AM PST by Fresh Wind (Fox News: "We distort, you deride")
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I have fired a Thompson submachine BB gun at the state fair :)


17 posted on 01/04/2019 8:29:03 AM PST by minnesota_bound
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To: Rinnwald

Yes, with side ejection.

Massive and well made, all milled if I recall correctly.

Nice scene in Patton of a soldier killing two vultures feasting on corpses after El Alamein, in single-shot mode: longer barrel and sighting radius obviously enhanced performance and accuracy of the .45 ACP.


18 posted on 01/04/2019 2:56:40 PM PST by YogicCowboy ("I am not entirely on anyone's side, because no one is entirely on mine." - J. R. R. Tolkien)
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There was also the M1941 Johnson, used mostly (entirely?) by the Marines.


19 posted on 01/04/2019 3:00:47 PM PST by YogicCowboy ("I am not entirely on anyone's side, because no one is entirely on mine." - J. R. R. Tolkien)
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To: gdc61

Well,
Hope it’s not a Spitfire!


20 posted on 01/04/2019 5:26:35 PM PST by Big Red Badger (Despised by the Despicable!)
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