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Shotgun vs AR15
Am Shooting Journal ^ | 1/25/2019 | W Clapp

Posted on 01/25/2019 5:15:15 AM PST by w1n1

At one time back in the day, inside most police cars were equipped with an M-870 shotgun. Then there's an odd ball patrolman with his AR with .223 caliber. Which patrolman has the advantage?

The logic behind the usage of an AR stems from situations where a firearm needed for greater range than a shotgun. Or how about shotgun folks talk about having knock down power to stop the fight with its 00 buck. AR's high velocity & capacity with 30 round mag makes up for lack of Knock Down Power. Which is better?

There needs to be a determination that each gun should be fired at the same target and at the same range. Because the idea is to ascertain some kind of combat effectiveness under stress, a time limit needs to be establish on each stage.

Test
This test was based from Wiley Clapp test out on Gunsite where he had two Range Masters both skilled with the shotgun and an AR go through this special course of fire. (Bill Murphy – shotgun and Vince Morgan – AR-15)

This course of fire were as follow:
A shooter armed with respective firearm would engage a silhouette at various ranges. First at 15 yards, then 25, 50, 75 and 100 yards. At the command of a whistle the shooter would have 3 seconds to fire off as many rounds as possible onto the target. Read the rest of this shotgun vs AR15.


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1 posted on 01/25/2019 5:15:15 AM PST by w1n1
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Two different tools. Two different missions/tasks.

Next subject; Screwdriver or hammer? Which is better?

2 posted on 01/25/2019 5:17:59 AM PST by Bloody Sam Roberts (Atrophy of science is visible when the spokesman goes from Einstein to Sagan to Neli Degrasse Tyson.)
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To: w1n1

Interesting article, but it doesn’t draw any real conclusions other than to show the target they shot at, which doesn’t (to my eye) reveal much.


3 posted on 01/25/2019 5:18:36 AM PST by Hardastarboard (Break it off in 'em, Brett. They've earned it, and you've earned it.)
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To: w1n1
Another perspective or to implement, if you were to put on some Red Dot sights for the shotgun and check out the wider use of slugs.

There ya go.

4 posted on 01/25/2019 5:24:18 AM PST by keat
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To: Bloody Sam Roberts

“Two different tools. Two different missions/tasks.Next subject; Screwdriver or hammer? Which is better?”

Agreed, however it’s always good to have BOTH available incase the need arises, yes?......not to mention, sumptin’ in da pocket. ;^)


5 posted on 01/25/2019 5:24:48 AM PST by V_TWIN
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To: w1n1

Lots of tactical pump and semi auto 12 gauge guns that take hi- cap magazines.

Do with that information what you will.


6 posted on 01/25/2019 5:27:31 AM PST by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you .)
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During Prohibition, the preferred weapon of the Chicago mob was the Tommy gun. However, they ambitiously wanted to expand in rural downstate Illinois. But the rural mobs stopped them cold with shotguns. This established that the terrain is a huge factor in such comparisons.


7 posted on 01/25/2019 5:30:13 AM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy ("There is no 'try' only sasuga!")
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To: Bloody Sam Roberts

Seriously. Click bait in our content driven world...


8 posted on 01/25/2019 5:32:12 AM PST by databoss
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To: w1n1

You don’t even have to read the article to know how stupid this is.


9 posted on 01/25/2019 5:35:43 AM PST by Bruce Campbells Chin
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You don’t even have to read the article to know how stupid this is.

In other words, about average for 'Am Shooting Journal'.

10 posted on 01/25/2019 5:38:15 AM PST by real saxophonist
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A shotgun is great indoors and an ar for outdoors. You need both.


11 posted on 01/25/2019 5:38:15 AM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn)
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Recycling your old crap, huh.
12 posted on 01/25/2019 5:41:22 AM PST by real saxophonist
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You are talking about close range here. With one trigger pull of the shotgun with 00 buckshot, you get twelve .33 caliber pellets spread out over a 24” to 36” pattern with deadly velocity at a nominal range. Do the math.


13 posted on 01/25/2019 5:42:14 AM PST by eastexsteve
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AR's high velocity & capacity with 30 round mag makes up for lack of Knock Down Power.

223 was chosen for weight consideration.

The AR was designed for the military, where men would be out on patrol and weight considerations were made.

Don't need the same considerations in a patrol car.

Switch to a .308 and you have more knock down power.

Of course proper shot location gives you good "knock down" power.

14 posted on 01/25/2019 5:48:01 AM PST by mountn man (The Pleasure You Get From Life, Is Equal To The Attitude You Put Into It)
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This article is terribly written. A common core student could do better.


15 posted on 01/25/2019 5:48:43 AM PST by Redcitizen (I don't always lurk, but when I do, Freerepublic.)
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This article is terribly written. A common core student could do better.

In other words, about average for 'Am Shooting Journal'.

16 posted on 01/25/2019 5:54:22 AM PST by real saxophonist
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To: w1n1
Crossfire, top 12ga, bottom 223.


17 posted on 01/25/2019 5:56:21 AM PST by umgud
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To: Bloody Sam Roberts

I wonder if you can get it with a bottle opener and nail file?

18 posted on 01/25/2019 5:57:17 AM PST by mountn man (The Pleasure You Get From Life, Is Equal To The Attitude You Put Into It)
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I wonder how much that thing weighs fully loaded.


19 posted on 01/25/2019 5:58:09 AM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn)
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Yeah.

Imagine carrying 30 .223 or .308
PLUS another 10 shotgun shells and barrel w/ action.

But when it spends 99% of it’s time being carried by a car...

Can’t imagine taking too many distance shoots from the standing position.
There’s a lot of weight out on the front end of that gun.


20 posted on 01/25/2019 6:08:13 AM PST by mountn man (The Pleasure You Get From Life, Is Equal To The Attitude You Put Into It)
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