Posted on 03/25/2019 1:43:42 AM PDT by Jacquerie
Let’s say the democrat party gets its wish. Instead of repealing the 17th Amendment, America goes full radical, rewrites Article II, and does away with the Electoral College (EC). Thanks to the 28th Amendment, Presidential electors are identical to those for House and Senate races. If this happens, count on ever more lawsuits and violence over ballots, access, and local vote-counting procedures. Elimination of this last federal institution may mean the end of the American republic.
I know it’s passé’ to refer to the Preamble of our beloved Constitution, but in it we see what the Framers expected from their new government. One of their lesser-known goals was to “insure domestic tranquility.” Its inclusion implies the national situation wasn’t tranquil in 1787. Thanks to overly democratic constitutions, the states were often scenes of turmoil.1 A similar overdose of democracy on top of the 17th Amendment will do the same to 21st century America.
The Framers’ EC contributed a lot to domestic tranquility. In Europe, disputes over royal succession occasionally led to civil war. America’s cumbersome Presidential election framework rarely failed to provide a smooth transfer of executive power. Despite the damage to the EC by the “two party system,” which encourages loyalty to one’s party rather than the Constitution, we didn’t experience (until recently) post-election mobs and violence.2
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Where once federal courts were loath to get involved in elections – Florida courts broke the seal. “Federal judicial intervention,” wrote Levin, “in state and federal elections may now become commonplace.” This proved true in a different way in 2016-2017 thanks to the Clinton campaign and Deep State operatives that lied to the FISA Court to first prevent the election of, and later pushed the removal of, President Trump.
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The proposal cannot become legal/ effective the way they’re doing it. Even if they get all of obana’s 57 states. Amendments to the constitution must originate in congress with 2/3 votes in each house..and then be sent to the states ( 3/4 of them must okay by legislative or individual state convention) or must originate in a nationsl constitutional convention called by 2/3 votes in Congress ( this matter way of proposing an amendment has not been used).
It is much more meaningful for the Democrats to elect presidents by popular vote when they take in consideration of the benefits of cemetery voting, pet voting ,illegal voting and the people, who love to vote multiple times
I would suggest that when you start to get serious about changing amendments around....why limit yourself to just the Electoral College? Why not amend it as well to limit Supreme Court Justices to 12 years of service? Why not limit states to just one Senator, with marginalized duties and functions? Why not arrange voting to occur in June, and the inauguration by early August? Why not add wording to the Constitution that limits overseas travel of Senators and Representatives to just ten days a year? There’s a whole bunch of things that people would get interested in and hyped up....if you were to open up this Pandora’s Box.
The Dems real plan is more subtle than eliminating the EC, and they’ve already gotten pretty far along with it. The Constitution allows state legislatures the power to determine how Electors are chosen. A group of states has already passed laws mandating that these states will choose Electors based on the winner of the national popular vote instead of their state’s vote. There’s also a provision that these laws will take effect only once states with at least 270 EV’s have passed similar laws.
This doesn’t eliminate the EC and likely passes Constitutional muster. It does render the EC moot.
Imho, it’s quite clear that Anything that would render the electoral college moot, as you so aptly put it, would clearly require a constitutional amendment, same for any other constitutional requirement/ provision. . The constitution sets forth our system of governance AND means to amend it. (Also, the constitution an requires interstate compacts to have congressional approval.)
First, states must appoint unserious delegates to the convention who would do nothing but make a mockery of the historic opportunity.
Second, the body at large must approve those proposed amendments to be sent to the states.
And third, 38 states have to approve those amendments one at a time.
That's a lot of hurdles for a wacky amendment to overcome.
-PJ
The people still vote, but locally. The biggest cities in each state will no longer dominate the state. The Assembly itself will act as a statewide electoral college that gives all regions of each state a voice.
This plan also denies the National Popular Vote compact a statewide Presidential vote tally to be used for the compact's purposes. It would be grossly inappropriate to declare that the cumulative Assembly votes constitutes a proxy for the President, as each local vote for Assemblyman is based on local issues, and cannot be interpreted to be the voters' sentiment for the President.
-PJ
If the Dems tries to eliminate the EV, CW2 will be started. They need to amend the Constitution. FRiends and FReepers, we need to stock up on guns and ammo...
You are absolutely correct but several [dem] states have said, that as a way around the Electoral College, they will cast their electoral votes NOT for the candidate who wins their state, but for the candidate who wins the national popular popular vote total.
Since The Constitution leaves it up to the individual states to determine how that state's electoral votes are cast, this might be legal, but certainly would be disruptive and result in turmoil.
There is no need for added reasons to keep the Electoral College. The Electoral College is constitutional, which is all the reason necessary.
A discussion of reasons to abolish the Electoral College would determine if the reasons have merit to the nation or merit for political gain. All the reasons I've seen so far to abolish then Electoral College fail on inspection.
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