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Schiff has made a fatal error
Flopping Aces ^ | 11-03-19 | DrJohn

Posted on 11/03/2019 8:23:23 AM PST by Starman417

Adam Schiff has pursued Donald Trump with a religious fervor.  He desperately want Trump out of office and will resort to just about anything to that end. Of late he is conducting secret impeachment proceedings, having failed to produce his mysterious Russian collusion evidence. In his zeal he has made a gigantic error- his “whistleblowers.”

#1- Eric Ciaramella

#2- Alexander Vindman

Vindman clearly does not understand government. Foreign policy is what the President wants it to be, not what he or Ciaramella want it to be.

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Neither Ciararmella nor Vindman had a problem with Joe Biden threatening to withhold aid to the Ukraine unless the prosecutor investigating the company on whose board Hunter Biden sat was fired.

https://youtu.be/urTk6O4c0mU

Neither was bothered by the inherent Ukrainian corruption.

This is why I doubt that democrats will actually impeach Trump, but rather try to cause death by a thousand leaks.

If Trump is impeached, this all moves to the Senate where the GOP rules. A trial would include subpoenas – of Ciaramella and Vindman. It would mean testifying under oath. It would mean questions-

Did John Brennan ask them to spy on Trump?

Were they in contact with John Brennan during this time?

What was Joe Biden’s role in all of this?

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1 posted on 11/03/2019 8:23:23 AM PST by Starman417
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To: Starman417; Fred Nerks

In his zeal he has made a gigantic error- his “whistleblowers.”>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Conspiracy to commit sedition against the People.

As Pelosi, Nadler and Schiff himself keep saying, “No one is above the law.”

Little does Schiff realize that he soon will be interviewed by
Deputy AG Durham, with a grand jury subpoena shortly thereafter.

Truly, I do believe that Schiff will be indicted on either conspiracy to commit sedition and treason,or obstruction of justice, or espionage.

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Sedition is overt conduct, such as speech and organization, that tends toward insurrection against the established order. Sedition often includes subversion of a constitution and incitement of discontent towards, or resistance against established authority. Sedition may include any commotion, though not aimed at direct and open violence against the laws. Seditious words in writing are seditious libel. A seditionist is one who engages in or promotes the interest of sedition.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sedition


2 posted on 11/03/2019 8:35:49 AM PST by Candor7 ((Obama Fascism)http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2009/05/barack_obam_the_quintessentia_1.html)
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To: Starman417

How is John Kerry involved in this mess?


3 posted on 11/03/2019 8:37:19 AM PST by Kozy (new age haruspex; "Everyone has a plan 'till they get punched in the mouth.")
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To: Starman417
Schiff has made a fatal error

I keep hoping that's "fatal" in a very literal sense.

4 posted on 11/03/2019 8:37:40 AM PST by The Sons of Liberty (Takedown My Duly Elected President and You're Attacking The Constitution! IT WILL BE DEFENDED!)
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To: Starman417

Bugsy will soon join Flake on the scrapheap of useful idiots.


5 posted on 11/03/2019 8:41:31 AM PST by Huskrrrr
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To: Starman417

Both Vindman and Ciararmella need to be tried for treason, and if found guilty, put to death in order to punish them individually and to put the fear of God into all the rest of the Deep State bad actors.

After that, AG Barr should offer a general amnesty to all others in the government who have perpetrated similar crimes, contingent on them resigning, taking full responsibility for their actions, never trying to rehabilitate their reputations and forfeiting all pensions and other considerations due them for their employment. This would save the country the pain of many public trials and additional executions.

The Deep State would then be eliminated for at least the next few generations.


6 posted on 11/03/2019 8:45:49 AM PST by CarmichaelPatriot (Recovering Kalifornian...)
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To: The Sons of Liberty; Travis McGee
I hope not.

Unless it's by firing squad after a fair and open trial.

Otherwise:

Adam Fisch has to die

7 posted on 11/03/2019 8:46:13 AM PST by null and void (Convicted spies are shot, traitors are hanged, saboteurs are subject to summary execution...)
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To: Candor7
Truly, I do believe that Schiff will be indicted on either conspiracy to commit sedition and treason,or obstruction of justice, or espionage.

I lean the same way. Which is why there is such a desperate attempt to remove Trump. They know their goose is cooked otherwise, so to them, it's a matter of survival.

What should be encouraging to Trump supporters and true patriots is that all they apparently have on Trump is this phone call. Everything else up to now has failed and this will fail as well.

Consider that Trump wasn't even supposed to be president in their eyes. Back in October of 2016, the "Hollywood Access" tape was to be the kill shot. There was no way that Trump was to survive that. Also remember that Trump was immediately abandoned by nearly the Republican party that weekend. Almost to a man, they were cutting their losses that weekend and reconciling themselves to a Hillary Clinton presidency. (I will never forget that)

Trump is the most vetted president in American history.

Finally, consider that Trump doesn't seem in the least bit worried about this impeachment theater. He knows what is coming.

8 posted on 11/03/2019 8:47:40 AM PST by SamAdams76
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To: Starman417

Was Ciaramella the “Charlie” referred to by Strzok and Page in their emails as the SPY in the Trump White House for the FBI & CIA?


9 posted on 11/03/2019 9:02:58 AM PST by tired&retired (Blessings)
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To: Candor7

actual statute requires use of force

If two or more persons in any State or Territory, or in any place subject to the jurisdiction of the United States, conspire to overthrow, put down, or to destroy by force the Government of the United States, or to levy war against them, or to oppose by force the authority thereof, or by force to prevent, hinder, or delay the execution of any law of the United States, or by force to seize, take, or possess any property of the United States contrary to the authority thereof, they shall each be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both.
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/2384

insurrection IMO does not
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/2383
Whoever incites, sets on foot, assists, or engages in any rebellion or insurrection against the authority of the United States or the laws thereof, or gives aid or comfort thereto, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States.


10 posted on 11/03/2019 9:06:57 AM PST by rolling_stone (no justice no peace and leakers)
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To: Candor7

NO DEMOCRAT will EVER face any serious Charges! PATHETIC!


11 posted on 11/03/2019 9:18:15 AM PST by Ann Archy (Abortion....... The HUMAN Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: Kozy

Hunter Biden (son of Vice President Joe Biden) and Chris Heinz (stepson of Secretary of State John Kerry) create Rosemont Capital, an international investment firm with the help of Devon Archer, a businessman and close friend of Heinz.


12 posted on 11/03/2019 9:25:15 AM PST by piasa (Attitude adjustments offered here free of charge.)
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To: Ann Archy

NO DEMOCRAT will EVER face any serious Charges! PATHETIC!


Are you saying that if they do face serious charges, we will have won?


13 posted on 11/03/2019 9:26:15 AM PST by marktwain (President Trump and his supporters are the Resistance. His opponents are the Reactionaries.)
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To: Starman417

His next fatal mistake(s) may be just getting out of bed in the morning.


14 posted on 11/03/2019 9:26:24 AM PST by equaviator (There's nothing like the universe to bring you down to earth.)
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To: All
Vindam arrives to testify in full-dress uniform----against the rules of the miltary.

Here he is.....….with his clothes on….....cackle

Ukranian Volodymyr Zelensky 2019 Presidential inauguration with Lt. Col. Vindman (far left)

15 posted on 11/03/2019 9:27:46 AM PST by Liz ( Our side has 8 trillion bullets; the other side doesn't know which bathroom to use.)
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To: rolling_stone
actual statute requires use of force

Actually, no.

If two or more persons in any State or Territory, or in any place subject to the jurisdiction of the United States, conspire to overthrow, put down, or to destroy by force the Government of the United States
"Conspire to Overthrow" does not require force.
16 posted on 11/03/2019 9:29:40 AM PST by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency)
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To: marktwain

Be a good start!


17 posted on 11/03/2019 9:32:17 AM PST by Ann Archy (Abortion....... The HUMAN Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: rolling_stone

No, it does not require force. It certainly may include force as a method but does not require it.


18 posted on 11/03/2019 9:33:49 AM PST by piasa (Attitude adjustments offered here free of charge.)
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To: Starman417

Capital Hill cops hat is channeling Soviet field officer visor hat

Tall.


19 posted on 11/03/2019 9:35:34 AM PST by wardaddy (I applaud Jim Robinson for his comments on the Southern Monuments decision ...thank you)
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<><>Col Alexander Vindman engaged in unsanctioned foreign policy discussions with the Ukraine govt;
<><>said "he did not think" it was proper for a president to demand investigations of a U.S. citizen,
<><> said "he was worried about the implications" for the U.S. government’s support of Ukraine.”

REALITY CHECK Vindam flat-out lied about Trumps’s phone call; Trump made no such demand.

What makes Vindam think he controls US foreign policy?

20 posted on 11/03/2019 9:36:43 AM PST by Liz ( Our side has 8 trillion bullets; the other side doesn't know which bathroom to use.)
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