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To: tacticalogic

Yet another huge argument against evolution. Chickens started out as a 1-lb jungle fowl and were bred into a 7-lb meat animal but still have the 1-lb bird’s wings. You’d think it would be easy for some small number of them to evolve wings adequate for the 7-lb bird and start flying better, but it never happens. In real life, there’s no such thing as gaining new functionality on a macro level.


15 posted on 02/01/2010 6:40:02 AM PST by wendy1946
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To: wendy1946
"In real life, there’s no such thing as gaining new functionality on a macro level."

You call slight changes in wing size "new functionality on a macro level?" Well that's your problem, right there. You think too small.

That sort of change doesn't even require new genetic information. By evolutionary standards it's an easy change for a species to make. The only reason chickens don't make it because we don't let them.

But a real example of "new functionality on a macro level" would be the innovation of tricolor vision in primates. For it to happen, it required a 50% increase in genetic information for opsin, and then a number of subsequent point mutations that tuned the new gene for a different frequency of light.

And it happened not just once "in real life," but two different times in the primates alone!

Now that's "new functionality on a macro level!!"
17 posted on 02/01/2010 8:23:19 AM PST by EnderWiggins
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To: wendy1946
Yet another huge argument against evolution.

Only if "huge" and "specious" are made interchangeable.

19 posted on 02/01/2010 8:31:44 AM PST by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: wendy1946
"You’d think it would be easy for some small number of them to evolve wings adequate for the 7-lb bird and start flying better, but it never happens."

The vast majority of modern chickens have no survival need to develop bigger and better wings as they spend their life in confined quarters and never live long enough to even learn how to fly. So their wings do not evolve. But where chickens are allowed to roam and run they do develop wings that can take them out of harm's way. For example, the chickens that roam around Luckenbach, Texas are famous for flying up into the big oak trees (and crowing annoyingly during the music). That's something a Pilgrim's Pride chicken could never do.

21 posted on 02/01/2010 8:41:37 AM PST by DaGman
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To: wendy1946
You’d think it would be easy for some small number of them to evolve wings adequate for the 7-lb bird and start flying better, but it never happens.

Why would they need to? If they stay right where the are, somebody comes and feeds them every day. If they flew away, they'd more likely be killed and eaten in the wild. For a domesticated chicken, there's no survival advantage in being able to fly.

22 posted on 02/01/2010 8:45:09 AM PST by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: wendy1946
In real life, there’s no such thing as gaining new functionality on a macro level.

Lizards Rapidly Evolve After Introduction to Island

In 1971, scientists transplanted five adult pairs of the reptiles from their original island home in Pod Kopiste to the tiny neighboring island of Pod Mrcaru, both in the south Adriatic Sea...

In 2004, however, tourism began to open back up, allowing researchers access to the island laboratory.

"We didn't know if we would find a lizard there. We had no idea if the original introductions were successful," Irschick said....

The transplanted lizards adapted to their new environment in ways that expedited their evolution physically, Irschick explained.

Pod Mrcaru, for example, had an abundance of plants for the primarily insect-eating lizards to munch on. Physically, however, the lizards were not built to digest a vegetarian diet.

Researchers found that the lizards developed cecal valves—muscles between the large and small intestine—that slowed down food digestion in fermenting chambers, which allowed their bodies to process the vegetation's cellulose into volatile fatty acids.

"They evolved an expanded gut to allow them to process these leaves," Irschick said, adding it was something that had not been documented before. "This was a brand-new structure."

I'd say that a brand-new structure that enables the animal to change its diet is more impressive than growing bigger wings.
23 posted on 02/01/2010 10:04:38 AM PST by Ha Ha Thats Very Logical
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