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Early Bronze Age battle site found on German river bank
BBC ^ | May 22, 2011 | Neil Bowdler

Posted on 05/22/2011 6:31:53 AM PDT by decimon

Fractured human remains found on a German river bank could provide the first compelling evidence of a major Bronze Age battle.

Archaeological excavations of the Tollense Valley in northern Germany unearthed fractured skulls, wooden clubs and horse remains dating from around 1200 BC.

The injuries to the skulls suggest face-to-face combat in a battle perhaps fought between warring tribes, say the researchers.

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The archaeologists also found remains of two wooden clubs, one the shape of a baseball bat and made of ash, the second the shape of a croquet mallet and made of sloe wood.

Dr Harald Lubke of the Centre for Baltic and Scandinavian Archaeology in Germany said the evidence pointed to a major battle site, perhaps the earliest found to date.

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Evidence was also found among the human remains of a millet diet, which is not typical of Northern Germany at the time, which the researchers say may betray the presence of invaders.

While bronze pins of a Silesian design could suggest contact with the Silesian region 400km to the south-east, they say.

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TOPICS: History
KEYWORDS: ancientautopsies; bronzeage; catastrophism; demmin; detlefjantzen; dietandcuisine; egypt; ericcline; erichcline; germany; godsgravesglyphs; helixmakemineadouble; horseback; knights; lactoseintolerance; medinethabu; millet; peatbog; peleset; pereset; ramsesiii; seapeople; seapeoples; silesia; tollenseriver; tollensevalley

One of the finds from the site included this human skull with a large fracture


A croquet mallet-shaped club uncovered at the Tollense Valley site

1 posted on 05/22/2011 6:31:55 AM PDT by decimon
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To: SunkenCiv

Head games ping.


2 posted on 05/22/2011 6:33:56 AM PDT by decimon
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To: decimon

I can’t take it any more.


3 posted on 05/22/2011 6:37:31 AM PDT by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: decimon

Fracture? Makes it sound minor and merely unpleasant.


4 posted on 05/22/2011 6:40:31 AM PDT by Professional Engineer (Conservative States of America has a nice ring to it.)
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To: decimon

The archaeologists also found remains of two wooden clubs, one the shape of a baseball bat and made of ash, the second the shape of a croquet mallet and made of sloe wood
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Did it have Louisville Slugger burned into it?


5 posted on 05/22/2011 6:44:02 AM PDT by Venturer
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To: decimon
Will Mormons claim that this was part of the Nephite convoy to the new world that stopped in Germany?

We still haven't found any evidence of the Nephites ever being in the new world(Americas)!
6 posted on 05/22/2011 7:43:24 AM PDT by ForAmerica (Conservative Christian Black Man!)
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Thanks decimon. and Whoops! Here's the earlier topic.

To all -- please ping me to other topics which are appropriate for the GGG list.
 

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7 posted on 05/22/2011 8:55:58 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Thanks Cincinna for this link -- http://www.friendsofitamar.org)
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To: SunkenCiv

Duplicate thread that at least has pictures bump.


8 posted on 05/23/2011 4:20:03 AM PDT by TheOldLady
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To: TheOldLady
Duplicate thread that at least has pictures bump

In my defense, this is not the duplicate post.

9 posted on 05/23/2011 5:40:46 AM PDT by decimon
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To: decimon

Ouch!

10 posted on 05/23/2011 5:45:17 AM PDT by Rebelbase
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To: decimon

You don’t have to defend yourself to me, LOL!

I like this thread more because IMO, all archeology threads should have copious pictures. That’s why I bumped it.

What is archeology if not looking into the past? How can you look if all you get is words?

Thank you for the better thread with a link to a better version of the story.

;-D


11 posted on 05/23/2011 5:59:49 AM PDT by TheOldLady
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To: decimon; SunkenCiv

Sounds like these guys agreed with Conan about what’s best in life: To crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentation of their women.


12 posted on 05/23/2011 1:56:59 PM PDT by colorado tanker
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To: decimon
Head games

Yes, literally speaking, from the condition of that skull.

I am wondering if there is any evidence of bronze weapons, since the title of the article says "Early Bronze Age battle site found." Perhaps the participants in this battle were not familiar with bronze, being far from the center of civilized development, namely the near East and the eastern Mediterranian. Sounds like a fairly small, local battle.

I would love to find a good historical novel dealing with this period. (I am currently reading, The Skystone, an historical novel dealing with the end of Roman occupation of England and the ensuing invasions, and a plausible explanation of the Arthurian legends. Author is Jack Whyte, and I highly recommend it.

Is there a 'historical novel' ping list?

13 posted on 05/24/2011 5:32:55 PM PDT by ARepublicanForAllReasons (Borders, laws and language are what define us (USA) as a country. Let's guard them well.)
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To: ARepublicanForAllReasons
I am wondering if there is any evidence of bronze weapons...

The article says nothing of bronze weapons but of bronze pins of Silesian design.

Is there a 'historical novel' ping list?

Not that I know. You'd have to do some searches to get an idea of what literature ping lists there might be.

14 posted on 05/24/2011 5:46:50 PM PDT by decimon
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To: TheOldLady; decimon

Broke human remains found in a German river could provide the first convincing evidence for a major battle during the Bronze Age.


15 posted on 05/24/2011 5:56:43 PM PDT by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet)
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To: JoeProBono; decimon

Thanks, Joe.


16 posted on 05/25/2011 5:27:13 AM PDT by TheOldLady
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Note: this topic is from long ago. Thanks for posting it.
Note: this topic is from long ago. Sort of one of *those* topics. Thanks for posting it.



17 posted on 05/03/2015 5:04:30 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (What do we want? REGIME CHANGE! When do we want it? NOW!)
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18 posted on 07/01/2016 10:48:26 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (I'll tell you what's wrong with society -- no one drinks from the skulls of their enemies anymore.)
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Europe’s Oldest Battlefield Yields Clues to Fighters’ Identities
By Megan Gannon, Live Science Contributor | October 23, 2017 07:11am ET
https://www.livescience.com/60739-europe-oldest-battlefield-yields-secrets.htm

The Tollense Valley battlefield: the North European ‘Trojan war’ that hints to western Balto-Slavic origins
October 28, 2017
December 1, 2017
https://indo-european.eu/2017/10/the-tollense-valley-battlefield-the-north-european-trojan-war-that-hints-to-western-balto-slavic-origins/

The significance of the Tollense Valley in Bronze Age North-East Germany
Carlos Quiles
February 7, 2018
https://indo-european.eu/2018/02/the-significance-of-the-tollense-valley-in-bronze-age-north-east-germany/
https://indo-european.eu/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/tollensee-lidar.jpg


19 posted on 03/24/2019 1:28:30 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (this tagline space is now available)
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20 posted on 09/16/2020 10:16:38 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Imagine an imaginary menagerie manager imagining managing an imaginary menagerie.)
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