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Columbus' Arrival Linked to Carbon Dioxide Drop
Science News ^ | November 5, 2011 | Devin Powell

Posted on 10/21/2011 11:02:39 AM PDT by MoJoWork_n

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To: MoJoWork_n
I wasn't aware that Columbus cut down any trees let alone that many. The Pilgrims found cleared land that was form a plague that killed the natives in the are where they settled so they are not the ones that cut all the forests down. The land was not completely cleared in the 1800’s for the farmers in the Midwest. There are more trees in the Rockies than there were when Columbus came over. How can a “scientist” get so many things wrong?
21 posted on 10/21/2011 11:31:42 AM PDT by mountainlion (I am voting for Sarah after getting screwed again by the DC Thugs.)
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To: MoJoWork_n
The European conquest of the Americas decimated the people living there, leaving large areas of cleared land untended. Trees that filled in this territory pulled billions of tons of carbon dioxide from the atmosphere,

Yeah, except few Native Americans had agriculture and most were hunter-gatherers.

22 posted on 10/21/2011 11:32:25 AM PDT by Thane_Banquo
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To: Tzimisce

another guilt trip . . . and I just got back from one . . . what ever the libs speak, it’s taken as gospel truth . . .


23 posted on 10/21/2011 11:34:51 AM PDT by Twinkie (John 3:16)
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To: MoJoWork_n

So..when do reparations to Europe begin? /sarcasm


24 posted on 10/21/2011 11:36:29 AM PDT by penelopesire (TIME FOR A SPECIAL PROSECUTOR!)
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To: SuzyQue

This guy reminds me of Professor Irwin Corey! Makes the same kinda sense.


25 posted on 10/21/2011 11:41:12 AM PDT by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ( Ya can't pick up a turd by the clean end!)
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To: Thane_Banquo

Oh, that’s right. So the corn tortilla that came down to us from the Aztecs was originally made from tree bark.

Same thing they made their canoes from.

The building material for any number of souvenir items in the casino gift shops. Great to know they’re edible, after we’re done using them as ash trays, or bathroom potpourri holders.


26 posted on 10/21/2011 12:18:47 PM PDT by MoJoWork_n (We don't know what it is we don't know)
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To: mountainlion

No, you got the point of the article wrong.

It was *more* trees that sucked more CO2 out of the atmosphere, that the people advancing this theory say could be linked to the decreased CO2 in the ice in Antarctica, that suggests the drop in temperatures during the Little Ice Age may have had a human origin.

Columbus didn’t cut down NO trees.


27 posted on 10/21/2011 12:22:26 PM PDT by MoJoWork_n (We don't know what it is we don't know)
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To: DManA

You’re the one that suggested it should have been the other way around, whatever the origin of the increased CO2 levels.

It would have to have been ‘orders of magnitude’ less, though, wouldn’t it, since there was no mass extinction event as happened after the Permian era?


28 posted on 10/21/2011 12:25:23 PM PDT by MoJoWork_n (We don't know what it is we don't know)
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To: DManA

You’re the one that suggested it should have been the other way around, whatever the origin of the increased CO2 levels.

It would have had to have been ‘orders of magnitude’ less, though, wouldn’t it, since there was no mass extinction event as happened after the Permian era?


29 posted on 10/21/2011 12:27:10 PM PDT by MoJoWork_n (We don't know what it is we don't know)
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To: MoJoWork_n

It is like in a discussion about the health benefits of drinking water you bring up the case of a guy who died from drinking gallons.


30 posted on 10/21/2011 12:31:22 PM PDT by DManA
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To: MoJoWork_n

“Tying together many different lines of evidence......”

The flight patterns of birds, entrails of sheep, tossing pieces of bone. It all comes together in “CO2 (is bad) Theory”.


31 posted on 10/21/2011 12:34:36 PM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: Tzimisce

I don’t know.

Mayonnaise was invented in France. (Yuck.)

3-Bean Salad was first thrown together in the U.S. (Double Yuck.)

But so was the first pizza.

Go figure.

There are probably no hard and fast rules about that.


32 posted on 10/21/2011 12:35:06 PM PDT by MoJoWork_n (We don't know what it is we don't know)
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To: MoJoWork_n

You mean the Cahokian cultural demise which included vast swaths of denuded, untended, abandoned agricultural land wasn’t a problem, but a bunch of colonists were?

Oh yes, those evil whites!


33 posted on 10/21/2011 12:41:47 PM PDT by OpusatFR
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To: Osamabindead

The coutries colonized by Great Britain should thank God
it was that country and not Spain or France or Portugal.


34 posted on 10/21/2011 12:46:58 PM PDT by RitchieAprile (Yeaaahh yeaaahh we baaad...)
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To: OpusatFR

The Cahokian folks may have just run out of logs to burn.

But that was only a century or so before Columbus, so the trees that grew back after the collapse of that culture would have added to the ‘too much CO2’ problem, a little earlier on but more or less compounding the same ‘too many trees, not enough Native Americans’ issue.


35 posted on 10/21/2011 12:55:19 PM PDT by MoJoWork_n (We don't know what it is we don't know)
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To: headstamp 2
Actually, the logic seems sound. Remember that CO2 concentrations have been bumping along the minimum for the last 10k years or so and any decrease could have had an impact on temps. Note also that, above minimum levels, added CO2 makes little difference in temps.

My main point is that by "cleared" the author means 'burned to the ground' as in forest and brush fires. Not only was there no fire suppression at that time, but the natives actually cleared land by fire and also used fire to push herds of buffalo off cliffs or into rivers.

36 posted on 10/21/2011 12:58:39 PM PDT by Cruising Speed
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To: SuzyQue

No, he wasn’t that powerful, but the gasoline powered chain saws that he used to completely deforest both hemisphers were.


37 posted on 10/21/2011 1:15:23 PM PDT by GreyFriar (Spearhead - 3rd Armored Division 75-78 & 83-87)
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To: count-your-change

What they’re saying there is that *right along with* the re-forestation and (possible) increased CO2 levels, there may also have been “....a decrease in solar activity, an increase in volcanic activity or colder oceans capable of absorbing more carbon dioxide.....” All of which would be completely unrelated to the disappearing Native Americans suspected root cause.

...Actually, I don’t know that a few parts per million of CO2 are necessarily such a horrible thing (6 to 10 parts per million, to be precise), but what seems to have gotten everyone so wound up — besides the drop in average temperature of a few degrees — is the suggestion that there were many, many, many people (anywhere between 40 and 100 million of them) whose relatively sudden disappearance may have affected the the climate of the whole planet.


38 posted on 10/21/2011 1:19:14 PM PDT by MoJoWork_n (We don't know what it is we don't know)
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To: Dr. Bogus Pachysandra

I had to look the good doctor up. I had never heard of him.


39 posted on 10/21/2011 1:27:35 PM PDT by SuzyQue
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To: DManA

“A discussion about the health benefits of drinking water...?”

Huh? I thought it was a discussion about what might have caused the temperature drop of the ‘Little Ice Age.’


40 posted on 10/21/2011 1:38:44 PM PDT by MoJoWork_n (We don't know what it is we don't know)
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