Skip to comments.E-Cat Test Coverage Roundup
Posted on 05/22/2013 11:01:41 AM PDT by Kevmo
E-Cat Test Coverage Roundup
May 22, 2013 By admin
Theres been quite a bit of attention paid to the recent Hot Cat test report, and I thought I would bring attention to a few sites where it has been mentioned so far (we have already pointed out the Forbes article). As you can see below there is a mixed response to it but despite some misgivings about the report itself from some quarters there seems to be a new level of respect towards Rossi for carrying through with a commitment that was made, and which some people didnt think would ever come to light.
I think that many people from here on out are going to take Rossi and therefore LENR in general more seriously.
Thanks for Alain Coetmeur for sharing this link to his collection of E-Cat related articles on Scoop.it a good source for additional coverage.
The ECAT Revolution
Slope of Hope
. . . The issue was that Rossis claims were not supported by any evidence. Two years passed, and many started to accuse him to be building a giant hoax, when finally, a couple of days ago, on May 20th, a group of serious academics (all with reputations to lose), published a detailed and thorough paper titled Indication of anomalous heat energy production in a reactor device where they did show that Rossis invention is not a hoax: his device produces clearly an incredibly large amount of heat from a still unknown/unexplained sort of non-radioactive nuclear reaction. . .
Cold Fusion, independent tests: the Hot Cat works and produces more energy than traditional sources International Business Times (Original Italian)
Some quotes from an interview with Guiseppe Levi:
As stated in the article, we are faced with a non-conventional source of energy . . . We have been able to operate in complete autonomy and freedom. outset it was clear that we could publish the results whatever they were . . . Definitely not chemical in nature . . . the absence of radiation makes us say that it is a nuclear power is still new in nature . . .
E-Cat Validation Creates More Questions PESWiki article by Hank Mills
I wish that the report would have shown a system self sustaining for a long period of time, at least an hour, without dropping in temperature. My thinking is that this could easily be done by simply applying the radio frequencies for the entire hour without applying the resistance heating coils. But this might create a situation like in the first of the three tests in which the reactor over heats, goes out of control, and destroys itself. I think it is clear that the enemy of control in the E-Cat is temperature, but at the same time the COP increases with temperature. So this creates an enigma how to increase temperature while maintaining control.
Cold fusion reactor independently verified, has 10,000 times the energy density of gas Extreme Tech Sebastian Anthony
Against all probability, a device that purports to use cold fusion to generate vast amounts of power has been verified by a panel of independent scientists. The research paper, which hasnt yet undergone peer review, seems to confirm both the existence of cold fusion, and its potency: The cold fusion device being tested has roughly 10,000 times the energy density and 1,000 times the power density of gasoline. Even allowing for a massively conservative margin of error, the scientists say that the cold fusion device they tested is 10 times more powerful than gasoline which is currently the best fuel readily available to mankind.
Cold Fusion Machine Gets Third-Party Verification, Inventor Says Popular Science Francie Diep
A well-known promoter of cold fusion technologywhos been demonstrating his latest invention here and there over the past two yearshas announced that an independent third party has verified his machine works . . . Theres plenty of reason to be skeptical. Rossi has a history of blocking even simple tests of the E-Cat. Many established experts are skeptical of his invention and with the idea that cold fusion is even possible . . .
Is Cold Fusion for Real? Science 2.0 Tommaso Dorigo
A model is direly needed, I would say; the secrecy behind the project does not help figuring out whether this is a very elaborate scam or a Nobel prize worthy discovery . . . I continue to believe in the scam hypothesis, but I must admit that this study impressed me for its reported result.
HotCat Independent Report eCat News Paul Story
I have to admit to being surprised. Never have I longed to be proven wrong so much in my life. We are not there yet, but at face value, this appears to be a giant step in the right direction. Healthy scepticism of the scientific kind is still advised since there are, as yet, many unanswered questions.
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This article from NewEnergyandFuel:
Roger Bird on May 22, 2013 at 1:50 pm
Heres another article about the test: http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/156393-cold-fusion-reactor-independently-verified-has-10000-times-the-energy-density-of-gas
AlainCo on May 22, 2013 at 11:04 am
for the curious you can follow my scoopit http://www.scoop.it/t/lenr-revolution-in-process-cold-fusion
start to be crowded with mainstream news
many critical but so funny.
The Cold Fusion/LENR Ping List
repost some links
That latest test was totally debunked according to another article posted here somewhere.
then go fetch it, if it exists
There is SOMETHING wrong here- if it was true it would be worth $$$kajillions...
What is he waiting for? cab fare to the nearest patent office?
Name the scientists who claim to have verified the results.
Here’s the article. I found it but not on FR.
Krivit’s obviously got an agenda and his ridiculous article is being ripped to shreds across the internet, such as on Vortex-L.
Name the scientists who claim to have verified the results.
***They’re all listed here:
True believers. Krivit makes valid points. It’s not an independently verified test but more of Rossi’s manipulation of observers to a test he controlled. I place a hell of a lot more confidence in what Krivit has to say than another dog and pony show by Rossi.
I place a hell of a lot more confidence in what Krivit has to say than another dog and pony show by Rossi.
***Actually, your skeptopathic cognitive dissonance is blinding you from seeing that you’re stacking up a guy like Krivit (basically an english major, no scientific training) against the 7 professional scientists who wrote the independent report.
You didn’t bother to read the article did you? For anyone else on this thread I encourage you to go to the link and read Krivit’s report. You don’t need to be a scientist to spot deliberate manipulation of the test.
Here’s what I want to see:
1) A test conducted at a lab of an independent scientist; and
2) Where Rossi only supplies that reactor cylinder plus any power module needed; and
3) The device’s power module is run off the lab’s outlet, with the independent scientist supplying the equipment which measure’s power input; and
4) The device operating inside a calorimeter which can accurately measure heat output; and
5) The test running at least 48 hours.
This stuff has been happening for several years at this point, with no product and no really independent tests.
I got excited about the test results, because even though I am a skeptic, I really, really wish this stuff would pan out. I have been interested since Pon's and Fleishman's original work.
But in this case, sadly you are correct. I know they are interested in protecting their intellectual property, and in the end, they will either be wildly rich and famouse, or they will end up infamous.
Did you bother to read the original report that Krivit is criticizing? Krivit seems to think these 7 scientists are all incompetent. He’s in meltdown mode.
You dont need to be a scientist to spot deliberate manipulation of the test.
***Then it should be real easy for you to point it out.
Moving the goal posts.
Rational people will see this for what it is, a simple set of tests of a black box and independent verification of heat generated that is an order of magnitude beyond chemical capabilities. It’s not even as if the device was allowed to continue running, it was shut down before it could consume all its fuel.
Regular skeptics will acknowledge that this is reasonably powerful validation of LENR and even for (cough) Rossi. Skeptopaths will continue to move goal posts, come up with more ridiculous possibilities (have you heard the one about lasers being shined on the cylinder?) and basic unfounded denial.
Whatever. When Rossi turns his device over to an independent lab and they verify his results I’ll be a believer. That’s how it’s supposed to work. Until then it’s all smoke and mirrors.
So, IF (and I will say “when”) the E-Cat is proven to work, will FR be placing a group purchase for CROW, do you think? ;-)
I doubt it. Most of the skeptopaths will just slink away, muttering stuff under their breath and buying stock in LENR-related companies.
LENR will go on if Rossi is a crook, so it would be a long time before I have to eat crow. If he’s a crook, I hope he goes to jail. Nothing wrong with checking into the situation.
When Rossi turns his device over to an independent lab and they verify his results Ill be a believer.
***Rossi did exactly that. You moved the goalposts.
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