Posted on 08/21/2013 4:27:14 AM PDT by citizen
Last I heard they went on sale last fall in Home Depot. You didn't pick one up?
Man that was a bust. Lasted just past the 90 day warranty then shot craps.
I’m a web developer... I hiccuped and it came out. ;-)
Well, that’s me, too. I am skeptical.
While I do admit to being a wanna-be believer, I’m not going to be fundung an E-Cat device unless it’s by buying a new Rossi or whatever brand water heater at Home Depot.
He’s waiting for the one that’s 20 times as good. This ten times stuff is just child’s play
Why can’t they just hook one of those E cats up and see if can run a house or a building?
I believe they have done so over 14,700 times or somethign. I dunno; I forget my e-cataganda
That’s a good question. The thing is the technology isn’t really at that point yet. An E-Cat device in its current form is only a heat generating device.
What has people excited about the E-Cat concept is that these devices are producing large amounts of heat with virtually no fuel being consumed. At least, that is the claim being made.
Non-nuclear power plants burn enormous quantities of coal or natural gas to boil water to generate high-pressure steam. This steam then powers turbines that generate electricity.
So the scientists are working to perfect these devices to generate sufficient heat to replace the coal and natural gas now used in power plants.
If these things actually work, you might eventually see a lot of city/town/neighborhood sized power stations built where they are needed instead of the having today’s huge power plants where the electricity must be sent here and there all across the country.
The other avenue is simply using the E-cat process to heat water for home, buisness and industrial uses.
Who knows, there might even eventually be small, self-contained E-Cat power units sized for providing electricity and hot water for an individual home.
A while back, someone posted a link to a story of a con artist a century ago, who used an approach almost identical to Rossi's to keep a scam going for decades. When he died and people were able to actually examine his device, they found a very clever mechanism for producing the effects--but no actual device. I'm guessing we'll see the same with Rossi. The main difference between that 1800s scammer and Rossi is that the 1800s scammer had some artistic talent, so that his "devices" were nice to look at. Rossi has no sense of style at all.
Amazing. The same old hand waving abracadabra fake debunking trotted out as if it were something new.
I remember a story posted by my friends uncle that talked about a guy who knew someone who tried to trade the Brooklyn Bridge to someone who owned swampland in Florida. As a result, it's clear that Rossi's work doesn't have to be clearly explained or analyzed, because well over five people related to my friend's uncle would have built it by now. After all, when my friend's uncle died, no one could find the Brooklyn bridge in Florida.
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Asked & answered. Notably, each time I’ve posted to you I have pointed out that you have never contributed substantially to the scientific discussion. Zero contribution.
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“When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him/her by this sign, that the dunces are all in confederacy against him/her” — Jonathan Swift, updated
Guess where I found this quote. Yup, the profile page of ;Hegewisch Dupa;
Interesting. But considering my interactions with her, not surprising.
I have a serious problem with the US patent process.
You submit something and they you wait for THEM to deem it as worthy.
I say the patent process should be a simple form you fill out, that lists your idea and BLAMMO it gets a date-time stamp and you got a patent.
Then it is up to you to defend your patent, if someone uses your idea.
The process of getting a patent now is too costly and time consuming.
And if you want to patent a perpetual motion device then go ahead. It should not be up to the government to decide if your idea is good or not.
Wasn’t there a guy named John Neuman (or similar) that had a motor he claimed worked on the energy from ‘pulses’ generated when a circuit is switched on or off?
This would be about in the 70’s or early 80’s
He used to hook it up to a battery to start it, then disconnect the battery and it would still run (no gas or external fuel or wires)
Never knew what happened to that
I have never heard of that one, but it sounds like a classic perpetual motion device.
Some of our fun exercises in physics class involved reading about real perpetual motion devices that have been invented in the past, and figuring out why they wouldn’t work. Some of them are not obvious.
99.999% of them won’t work because of friction
The theoretical “frictionless surface” in physics classes does not exist in reality
Unfortunately, that is the law that the inventor has to live with. And future changes will likely favor corporate inventorship over individual inventors (the Euro-patent process is worse). I don't see things getting any better.
"And if you want to patent a perpetual motion device then go ahead. It should not be up to the government to decide if your idea is good or not.
If you've ever spent time perusing issued patents (I have), you will find that things just as impossible as perpetual motion have been patented. Of common sense there is very little among patent examiners. They very much have a script, and follow it "to the letter".
I've been through the process 26 times, both as a corporate inventor and as an individual. But I've been lucky in that my patent agent is literally a genius at it. His "won/loss" ratio is far higher that typical. In college he majored in chemistry and minored in English, which for a techie is a REALLY strange combo. He has always been interested in law and at one time contemplated going to law school. He took up patent work just before he retired from the chemical corporation we both had worked for, and "found his calling", then retired and kept at it.
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