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Jahi McMath gets feeding and breathing tubes
AP via CBS News ^ | January 8, 2014

Posted on 01/09/2014 6:39:24 AM PST by goodwithagun

A 13-year-old California girl who was declared brain dead after suffering complications from sleep apnea surgery has been given the feeding and breathing tubes that her family had been trying to obtain for weeks. Christopher Dolan, the attorney for the girl's family, said doctors inserted the gastric tube and tracheostomy tube Wednesday at the undisclosed facility where Jahi McMath was taken Jan. 5. The procedure was a success, Dolan said, and Jahi is getting the treatment that her family believes she should have gotten 28 days ago, when doctors at Children's Hospital Oakland first declared her brain dead.

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TOPICS: Health/Medicine; Science
KEYWORDS: jahi; jahimcmath; mcmath
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Is this ethical?
1 posted on 01/09/2014 6:39:24 AM PST by goodwithagun
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To: goodwithagun

If her hearts still beating it is!


2 posted on 01/09/2014 6:41:10 AM PST by MeshugeMikey ( a Safe..and Sane....2014 To All!)
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To: MeshugeMikey

Her heart is beating because of the mechanics.


3 posted on 01/09/2014 6:46:12 AM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: goodwithagun
The girl's fate is in the hands of her parents and the Lord. I pray for a pro-life miracle to send a message.

Where the hospital lost me is how they responded to her being "brain dead". At that point the parents should've been allowed to take her home, whether or not further treatment was an option.

4 posted on 01/09/2014 6:46:14 AM PST by grania
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To: MeshugeMikey

But her heart isn’t beating.


5 posted on 01/09/2014 6:47:21 AM PST by goodwithagun (My gun has killed fewer people's than Ted Kennedy's car.)
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To: grania

All the family had to do was fill out paperwork and find a facility. Up until recently they did neither. There are too many legal risks with just letting the family wheel her out of the facility, especially since the hospital is legally responsible for the body.


6 posted on 01/09/2014 6:50:28 AM PST by goodwithagun (My gun has killed fewer people's than Ted Kennedy's car.)
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To: goodwithagun
the hospital is legally responsible for the body

I hate that a breathing child of god is referred to as "a body". Jamie has a name. This is where I have trouble with the law and protocol. The parents should not be forced to have the child be either in a hospital or funeral home even if they can't or choose not to get more care. If the hospital has given up hope, Jamie should be with her parents.

7 posted on 01/09/2014 6:59:45 AM PST by grania
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To: goodwithagun

From the perspective of the family’s lawyer, it’s more advantageous to have a client - the prospective plaintiff in a medical malpractice suit - being kept artificially alive for an indefinite period than a dead one. In the case of death, the monetary score for the family - and attorney at 30% minimum - is limited by the $250,000 cap. But since they can cite a lifetime of expenses related to keeping her on the machines if not allowed to die, they can sue for billions.

Win-win for the lawyer. He gets to point to a pathetic picture of a Jahi hooked to machines and beat the pain and suffering cap. And, of course, the national name recognition doesn’t hurt for future business.


8 posted on 01/09/2014 7:01:35 AM PST by DPMD
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To: grania

She had a name and it was Jahi not Jamie. She is truly a child of God and is with him now. She has been for several weeks. She is not breathing. Her heart is not beating. I cannot refer to a decomposing shell as a child. That is an insult to humans.


9 posted on 01/09/2014 7:03:47 AM PST by goodwithagun (My gun has killed fewer people's than Ted Kennedy's car.)
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To: DPMD

That’s what I’m thinking, since I’ve read that the family illegally gave her food and encouraged her to talk, both against post-op instructions. Are they trying to destroy evidence?


10 posted on 01/09/2014 7:05:59 AM PST by goodwithagun (My gun has killed fewer people's than Ted Kennedy's car.)
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To: Sacajaweau

isnt that what Pacemakers do!?


11 posted on 01/09/2014 7:18:40 AM PST by MeshugeMikey ( a Safe..and Sane....2014 To All!)
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To: MeshugeMikey
No...a pacemaker is a sensory device and gives you an electric shock (same as paddles) to reset the rhythm of your heart.

In this case, think of the heart as a siphon in a circulatory (closed) system. It pumps with the flow. Totally mechanical.

12 posted on 01/09/2014 7:28:15 AM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: Sacajaweau

ah , Thank you.


13 posted on 01/09/2014 7:29:14 AM PST by MeshugeMikey ( a Safe..and Sane....2014 To All!)
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To: goodwithagun
Just think of when you had your molars pulled. The doc said don't do this cuz you don't want to pull the clots out of the sockets. Mom said lie down and we did.

You're quite right....As cruel as it may seem, I believe the parents should have been kicked out of her room.

I'm waiting for a card from Obama AND a "we'll pick up the tab" coupon.

14 posted on 01/09/2014 7:32:53 AM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: MeshugeMikey

One of my friends is about 80 years old. He had one of the first pacemakers. He was maybe 40...They gave him 10 years. It was replaced with updated models a couple times.


15 posted on 01/09/2014 7:34:39 AM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: goodwithagun

It is almost certainly pointless.


16 posted on 01/09/2014 7:36:07 AM PST by Sherman Logan
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To: Sherman Logan

“It is almost certainly pointless.”

God can do anything - even raise up dry bones.

EZEKIEL 37:1-10

1 The hand of the Lord was on me, and he brought me out by the Spirit of the Lord and set me in the middle of a valley; it was full of bones. 2 He led me back and forth among them, and I saw a great many bones on the floor of the valley, bones that were very dry. 3 He asked me, “Son of man, can these bones live?”

I said, “Sovereign Lord, you alone know.”

4 Then he said to me, “Prophesy to these bones and say to them, ‘Dry bones, hear the word of the Lord! 5 This is what the Sovereign Lord says to these bones: I will make breath[a] enter you, and you will come to life. 6 I will attach tendons to you and make flesh come upon you and cover you with skin; I will put breath in you, and you will come to life. Then you will know that I am the Lord.’”

7 So I prophesied as I was commanded. And as I was prophesying, there was a noise, a rattling sound, and the bones came together, bone to bone. 8 I looked, and tendons and flesh appeared on them and skin covered them, but there was no breath in them.

9 Then he said to me, “Prophesy to the breath; prophesy, son of man, and say to it, ‘This is what the Sovereign Lord says: Come, breath, from the four winds and breathe into these slain, that they may live.’” 10 So I prophesied as he commanded me, and breath entered them; they came to life and stood up on their feet—a vast army.


17 posted on 01/09/2014 7:49:55 AM PST by stars & stripes forever (Blessed is the nation whose God is the Lord.)
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To: stars & stripes forever

Righto.

If this girl recovers at all, we probably need to re-examine our criteria for designating brain death.

But from the accounts I’ve read, short of a miracle it is very unlikely. With true brain death, body deterioration is ongoing.

I find it odd that prolifers will insist, accurately, that a separate human life begins at conception, based on science. Then turn around and reject the input of science as to what constitutes brain death and therefore the end of life.

It is always possible that brain death is improperly diagnosed, but that’s an argument for better diagnosis, not for return to the old and discredited definition of death as the heart having stopped.


18 posted on 01/09/2014 8:05:37 AM PST by Sherman Logan
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To: Sherman Logan
No matter what happens...and we know that she is dead....that expert pediatrician will say...it was the hospitals fault because they took away food...etc ect.

You have to look into the book that he wrote...It seems that he almost believes that there's no such thing as death. He's just trying to sell his book....and maybe make a few bucks....like a lotta bucks. I can assure you, he's not a freebie.

19 posted on 01/09/2014 8:10:57 AM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: Sherman Logan

Recovers to what state??


20 posted on 01/09/2014 8:12:02 AM PST by Sacajaweau
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