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Education influencing culture, or culture influencing education?
The Conservative Beacon ^ | January 12, 2014 | Conservative Beacon

Posted on 01/12/2014 4:41:57 PM PST by Conservative Beacon

A question to my fellow Freepers out there: Does education influence culture first, or vice versa?

I ask this question because I believe it is the first step in the process of changing the current liberal course of American civilization.


TOPICS: Education; Society
KEYWORDS: education

1 posted on 01/12/2014 4:41:57 PM PST by Conservative Beacon
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To: Conservative Beacon
The beginnings of influence on education kicking it into high gear: Peabody Education Fund.
2 posted on 01/12/2014 4:46:20 PM PST by PieterCasparzen (We have to fix things ourselves)
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To: Conservative Beacon
Followed by General Education Board.
3 posted on 01/12/2014 4:49:00 PM PST by PieterCasparzen (We have to fix things ourselves)
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To: Conservative Beacon

Culture and education are part and parcel of the same human package...even though the standards of education have changed over the millennia. Can’t be separated or even parsed.
EVERY society, even the most primitive, “educated” its young in whatever way was essential to the culture.


4 posted on 01/12/2014 4:50:10 PM PST by cloudmountain
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To: Conservative Beacon

Much of the curriculum comes directly out of the minds of scumbags like William Ayers and Van Jones tells me that education is the bigger problem.


5 posted on 01/12/2014 4:55:07 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Conservative Beacon

Everything is being skewed by catering to dysfunctional subcultures. The only way to educate many of them would be to remove them from subculture influence at birth.


6 posted on 01/12/2014 4:55:20 PM PST by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, a Matter of Fact, Not a Matter of Opinion)
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To: Conservative Beacon

I am inclined to believe a full court press hit our schools and churches simultaneously, making milquetoast out of the meat and potatoes of both, as socialist/Marxist thought became pervasive. Of course Christians recognise the Enemy stirs against believers under many names.


7 posted on 01/12/2014 4:57:42 PM PST by RitaOK ( VIVA CHRISTO REY / Public education is the farm team for more Marxists coming.)
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To: RitaOK

Communist Goals (1963)

http://www.uhuh.com/nwo/communism/comgoals.htm

Its a goal to target all of society. Schools, Churches, Art Science, business, media....


8 posted on 01/12/2014 5:01:34 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: cloudmountain

I want to make sure I’m making the proper connection from your opinion. Are you suggesting that while the are fundamentally interconnected, when you get down to you it, you educate before being influenced by culture? Or is it a simultaneous event—that we’re being educated before influenced by the overall culture, but that very same culture is influencing the education we receive?

If so, that’s essentially what I believe.


9 posted on 01/12/2014 5:03:54 PM PST by Conservative Beacon
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To: RitaOK

I agree with your position and say it began in the 19th Century. Those who say it was a 20th Century phenomenon overlook the roots.


10 posted on 01/12/2014 5:04:28 PM PST by T-Bird45 (It feels like the seventies, and it shouldn't.)
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To: cloudmountain; PieterCasparzen
I have to agree with cloudmountain here, I don't think the two can be separated.

My dad got his Doctor of Education from The Peabody College in 1971, I think.

He was a WWII veteran, as were many of his colleagues.

11 posted on 01/12/2014 5:06:28 PM PST by real saxophonist
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To: RitaOK

You are spot on. And it was a successful full-court press.

While conservatives were winning the short-term battles and American enjoyed a more traditional, conservative culture up to the 1960s, the Left and the Communists focused their strategy on a long-term, systems basis. They didn’t focus solely on politics or elections, a mistake I think some have made on our side.

We are beyond the point where conservative political victories alone (if even possible) will alter the course we’re on. We must wage a full assault on virtually every aspect that encompasses our culture. We have become the counter-culture of the modern era.


12 posted on 01/12/2014 5:09:33 PM PST by Conservative Beacon
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To: real saxophonist
As usual, I forgot stuff. Dad was also Professor Emeritus of Education at Valdosta State University.
13 posted on 01/12/2014 5:13:07 PM PST by real saxophonist
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To: Conservative Beacon
My opinion agrees with yours: it is a simultaneous event.
He else can it be?
14 posted on 01/12/2014 5:14:26 PM PST by cloudmountain
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To: Conservative Beacon
This is a good question that deserves an interesting answer:

1. Culture influences education in aristocratic types of cultures with limited forms of government.

2. Education influences culture in democratic/socialist cultures where "education" is an oxymoron because it's more of an industry than an institution and often ends up catering to unassimilated people who can't be educated.

15 posted on 01/12/2014 5:17:39 PM PST by Alberta's Child ("I've never seen such a conclave of minstrels in my life.")
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To: Conservative Beacon

In the 1920s, the influential Italian communist Antonio Gramsci wrote that in order to take over a country or a society, communists first had to take over its “institutions,” by which he meant the media, the education system, the universities, the legal profession, voluntary organisations and churches. Methodically, and slowly but surely, his idea was put into practice in our country. What you see is the result. All of those very institutions have been taken over by the far Left in our country, and they are now taking us to our doom.


16 posted on 01/12/2014 5:49:31 PM PST by La Lydia
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To: Conservative Beacon

And the intellectuals and philosophers influence both.

They’re easy to dismiss, but their opinions control the future.


17 posted on 01/12/2014 5:56:17 PM PST by freerepublicchat
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To: La Lydia

Unfortunately you are exactly right. They have been in it for the long haul and are focused on the systems that influence politics rather than the political process itself.


18 posted on 01/12/2014 6:53:14 PM PST by Conservative Beacon
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To: Conservative Beacon

Education, its benefactors and beneficiaries influence culture in many ways (e.g., sponsorships of propaganda/news). The reverse only happens, after a population is harmed enough to revert to rebelliously engaging in healthier behaviors and disrespecting the activities of those who influence official education.


19 posted on 01/12/2014 7:33:28 PM PST by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of corruption smelled around the planet.)
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To: Conservative Beacon

Read some of the works of Vaclav Havel.


20 posted on 01/12/2014 7:38:32 PM PST by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of corruption smelled around the planet.)
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