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Happening now and I never even realised (power companies plans for gauging consumers)
abovetopsecret.com ^ | Jan, 16 2014 | unknown

Posted on 01/17/2014 12:12:07 AM PST by ransomnote

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More at the link. I am not familiar with that website but I can, after my initial surprise, believe that this may be the way that electric companies plan to elevate our power bill. It's very similar in style to the way cell phone companies "herd" consumers into higher fee tiers.
1 posted on 01/17/2014 12:12:07 AM PST by ransomnote
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To: ransomnote

Abovetopsecret makes Weekly World News look respectable. There’s probably about as much truth in that article as there is in the Bat Boy stories.


2 posted on 01/17/2014 12:42:25 AM PST by Little Pig (Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici.)
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To: ransomnote

ransomnote: Way to feed us to the ad mill, jerk.


3 posted on 01/17/2014 12:47:09 AM PST by Born to Conserve
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To: Little Pig
But ...but ...but he's real!

George Noory and Art Bell told me so!

4 posted on 01/17/2014 1:36:50 AM PST by shibumi (Cover it with gas and set it on fire.)
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To: Little Pig

Yea ? They put a new smart meter on my house 2 months ago my electric bill jumped 170 bucks just last month i hate to think what its going to be this month and were scrooges with electric !


5 posted on 01/17/2014 1:39:25 AM PST by ATOMIC_PUNK (I'm not afraid to say what i mean nor should you be afraid of what you know to be true !)
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To: ATOMIC_PUNK

Same here..I called them on it because there was no way my bill could be that high. Took a month or two but they fixed it back to “normal” use.


6 posted on 01/17/2014 1:52:26 AM PST by caww
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To: ATOMIC_PUNK

That meter probably has a time of use function that logs usage by the second, minute, hour. They could then just charge you more depending on what time of day it was and what their ‘load’ on the grid was. Look for the words ‘variable pricing’ in their literature.


7 posted on 01/17/2014 2:06:24 AM PST by Gaffer
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To: ATOMIC_PUNK

What is worse here in Maryland the power company wants to put a control on your heat/air so that in periods of high load they can cut back your usage; ie turn the heat/air down. I told them to go fish


8 posted on 01/17/2014 2:21:32 AM PST by Jimmy Valentine (DemocRATS - when they speak, they lie; when they are silent, they are stealing the American Dream)
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To: ransomnote
Ha! The reason for the smart meters was to get rid of the Meter men.

Remember the ones who used to come around and make the dogs bark. Now the electric and even some of the gas meter guys are gone and a ton of money was saved.

I just wish they had passed on the savings to us.

9 posted on 01/17/2014 2:39:04 AM PST by sr4402
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To: ransomnote
Once this has been excepted we can begin with the second stage and this is where you come in gentlemen ( speaking to electronic experts in the room)[sic]

I can't accept the word of someone who doesn't understand that words mean things.

10 posted on 01/17/2014 2:44:23 AM PST by BykrBayb (Somewhere, my flower is there. ~ Þ)
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You wouldn’t make an acception in his case?


11 posted on 01/17/2014 3:25:02 AM PST by shibumi (Cover it with gas and set it on fire.)
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To: shibumi

Know. Wood ewe?


12 posted on 01/17/2014 3:58:38 AM PST by BykrBayb (Somewhere, my flower is there. ~ Þ)
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To: BykrBayb
Knot Me.


13 posted on 01/17/2014 4:04:42 AM PST by shibumi (Cover it with gas and set it on fire.)
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To: ransomnote

X reads a little like Ulsterman


14 posted on 01/17/2014 4:10:36 AM PST by gusopol3
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Smart meters report usage every 15 minutes. The idea is to bill higher for use during peak periods and lower during idler times.

Power generation isn’t like throwing a switch. If there’s a sudden surge in demand, the generators have to be started up, which takes time, or the additional power has to be purchased from someone on the grid who has excess. If there’s none immediately available, you brown out.

Electricity can’t be stored efficiently, so it must be generated on demand, and it takes a while to respond to spikes. So it’s not unreasonable for power companies to want to smooth out the demand curve. Smart metering is one way they’re doing that.


15 posted on 01/17/2014 5:54:08 AM PST by IronJack
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I’m not surprised. Went to a meeting Wed pm where folks from Empower Texas stated that our PUC (public utility commission) wants to allow power providers to bill based upon their CAPACITY to use rather than what the customer actually used. The power companies aren’t making enough.

I believe anything is possible - look what Enron did the year before they imploded. heating bills more than mortgage pmts. no refunds were given.


16 posted on 01/17/2014 6:01:01 AM PST by RebelTXRose
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To: ransomnote

Deborah Tavares - Smart Meters at Oathkeeperss Meeting
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q5mAOyp6fRc

http://www.stopthecrime.net/smartmeters/index.html

Searching FR using “smart meter” turned up a list of articles

Most recent:
Smart Meters join ObamaCare in monitoring Florida’s Serfs
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/3111223/posts

From 2011
Ironically-Named ‘Smart Meters’ Prove to Be a Dumb Idea
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2695671/posts

“Smart Meter” search would turn up many results so narrow the search by adding + cost of energy.

The link below was posted on page 2 of the thread posted.
California Allows Power Companies to Charge Different Rates Throughout the Day — in 2018
http://nextcity.org/theworks/entry/california-allows-power-companies-time-of-use-solar-power


17 posted on 01/17/2014 6:13:55 AM PST by Whenifhow
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To: ransomnote; All
Look, I designed smart meters for years, as a wireless electronics engineer. They are NOT designed to spy on you, take pictures of what you do in your bedroom, spoil your milk, or elevate your power bill, or any other paranoid thing the Alex Jones crowd can dream up.

The smart meters are much more accurate long-term than the old EM (electromechanical) meters, because the electronics can better compensate for temperature, and there is no wear like there is in the EM meters.

The meters are calibrated for accuracy in the factory, and are spot-checked by the utilities. It is in their financial interest to have them accurate. So there goes the theory about them being used to raise your power bill.

The primary reason for smart meters, though, is to allow time-of-day-based rates ("peak shaving") in residences. If the power company can get updates every hour or so on what the (for example) A/C demand out in the 'burbs is doing to their line voltage, they will have better control over where and when to add auxiliary generation.

When they bring a generator online, it costs money. They don't do it until they absolutely have to do so to keep the power line voltages from sagging too far, which causes a brownout and causes motors and transformers to heat up.

There's FAR too much paranoia out there. It mostly because people don't understand the basic premise of electric utilities: power has to be generated as it's used, because there is no economically-sound way to store electric energy at the power levels the grid delivers.

18 posted on 01/17/2014 6:16:02 AM PST by backwoods-engineer (Blog: www.BackwoodsEngineer.com)
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Ha! The reason for the smart meters was to get rid of the Meter men.

Wrong. That was just a side effect.

19 posted on 01/17/2014 6:16:53 AM PST by backwoods-engineer (Blog: www.BackwoodsEngineer.com)
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To: IronJack
Iron Jack, you've got it right, as best as I know as a designer of smart meters.

(BTW, I'm still in smart metering, but in the water industry instead of electric & gas.)

20 posted on 01/17/2014 6:18:14 AM PST by backwoods-engineer (Blog: www.BackwoodsEngineer.com)
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