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Silent Nagasaki (“Raw” Footage of the Loading of the Fat Man Bomb)
Nuclear Secrecy ^ | February 7th, 2014 | Alex Wellerstein

Posted on 02/08/2014 10:37:19 AM PST by nickcarraway

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To: Calvin Locke
I question the possibility of this post because I know of no railroad between the Port of Hiroshima on the island of Honshu and the Port of Nagasaki on island of Kyushu. Also, there is the disinformation idea that Nagasaki was targeted because of its Christian community. Primary target of the August 9th mission was Kokura - Army HQ and arsenal. There are a number of errors in the referenced article.
61 posted on 02/08/2014 6:18:11 PM PST by Minutemantek (VETERAN & FREE THINKER)
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To: Minutemantek; cynwoody
I must have forgot hit the final "post" to cywoody's post earlier in the afternoon.

I did append "Supposedly" because I couldn't find the original source, and I knew the source had retracted some parts of the "story", but I remembered it being about adding tritium to Little Boy as insurance.

62 posted on 02/08/2014 8:37:13 PM PST by Calvin Locke
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To: jmacusa

BRAVO!!!!!!!


63 posted on 02/08/2014 8:56:05 PM PST by Glennb51
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To: Calvin Locke; Minutemantek
but I remembered it being about adding tritium to Little Boy as insurance.

The amazing fact about Little Boy is that he was never tested. His development was basically an insurance policy in case the more difficult but more elegant implosion design could not be made to work in time. The scientists were so sure he would work that they didn't think a test was needed. The implosion design was tested at Alamogordo on 16 July 1945. Little Boy was a one-of-a-kind, at least among first-world nuclear powers. All subsequent weapons are based on the implosion design.

As far as the dual survivor question, this obit on Mr Yamaguchi asserts that there were actually 165 people who survived both attacks, Japanese government official recognition notwithstanding.

64 posted on 02/08/2014 9:37:44 PM PST by cynwoody
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To: nickcarraway

I live in Richland, WA near where the Nagasaki special material was produced (my father employed as a Los Alamos machinist at the time, then moved to Hanford).

One of the high schools here still has a B-29 mural painted on an outside wall of the original high school.

I try to avoid the whole issue as much as possible.


65 posted on 02/08/2014 9:48:39 PM PST by steve86 (Some things aren't really true but you wouldn't be half surprised if they were.)
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To: nickcarraway

The Atomic Bomb, Built in America, Tested in Japan!!!


66 posted on 02/09/2014 3:37:10 AM PST by amigatec (The only change you will see in the next four years will be what's in your pocket.)
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To: cynwoody
According to Yamaguchi’s Wikipedia article, he was the sole person officially recognized by the Japanese government as having survived both attacks.

Actually there were 3 that survived both bombs.

67 posted on 02/09/2014 3:44:41 AM PST by amigatec (The only change you will see in the next four years will be what's in your pocket.)
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To: jmacusa

You make a good point. However, the Hiroshima bomb was not that sophisticated. A TNT explosion slamming two masses of U-235 together. The real hard part was separating the 235 from the 238. Amazing that we were able to do that almost 80 years ago.


68 posted on 02/09/2014 6:15:12 AM PST by Telepathic Intruder (The only thing the Left has learned from the failures of socialism is not to call it that)
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To: angryoldfatman

It’s true that the use of the nukes saved American lives, and saved Japanese lives as well, but the fact is, it was a war, and neither the Japanese nor anyone else has any complaint coming regarding the use of nukes.


69 posted on 02/09/2014 6:31:26 AM PST by SunkenCiv (http://www.freerepublic.com/~mestamachine/)
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I recall reading that, for one of the bombs (probably the Hiroshima bomb) a two-conductor connector that was designed to be idiot-proof had been wired backwards, such that the bomb wouldn’t go off (apparently accidentally). This was discovered while the bomb was in transit and a couple of scientists were going over a checklist. Rather than report the problem, they just unsoldered the connector, switched it around, and resoldered it.

Anyway, here’s the page on Bock’s Car, the plane which ended WWII, and which (unlike Enola Gay) is displayed intact.

http://www.nationalmuseum.af.mil/factsheets/factsheet.asp?id=527


70 posted on 02/09/2014 6:37:12 AM PST by SunkenCiv (http://www.freerepublic.com/~mestamachine/)
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To: dfwgator

Very good point!


71 posted on 02/09/2014 6:38:11 AM PST by SunkenCiv (http://www.freerepublic.com/~mestamachine/)
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To: jmacusa

Well said. AFAIC, Japan got off light.


72 posted on 02/09/2014 6:38:51 AM PST by SunkenCiv (http://www.freerepublic.com/~mestamachine/)
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The Day a Half Ton of Nazi Uranium Entered Portsmouth Harbor
http://www.wrightmuseum.org/explore-world-war-ii/the-archive/112-the-day-a-half-ton-of-nazi-uranium-entered-portsmouth-harbor.html

The surrender of U-234 - 14 May 1945
http://www.uboatarchive.net/U-234PhotoSutton.htm
http://www.uboatarchive.net/U-234SuttonNews2.jpg

How U-234 Brought Its Deadly Secret Cargo to New Hampshire
http://www.ussvance.com/Vance/nazisub.htm

Tales from the Atomic Age—
Paul W. Frame
http://www.orau.org/ptp/articlesstories/u234.htm

German submarine U-234
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_submarine_U-234

http://uboat.net/boats/u234.htm


73 posted on 02/09/2014 6:56:24 AM PST by SunkenCiv (http://www.freerepublic.com/~mestamachine/)
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To: dfwgator

The Last Mission: The Secret History of World War II’s Final Battle
http://www.amazon.com/The-Last-Mission-Secret-History/dp/0767907795


74 posted on 02/09/2014 6:58:15 AM PST by SunkenCiv (http://www.freerepublic.com/~mestamachine/)
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To: Cyber Liberty

There probably wouldn’t have been a Korean War — Korea would have been given up; the Japanese would have turned on the US if (for example) northern Japan had been occupied by the Soviets, who’d have fanned the militaristic flames, and the US defeated the Japanese almost singlehandedly (their long land war in China was expensive but not a huge source of losses). That might have changed the US attitude toward similar partition deals, for example in Indochina.

The Soviets never wanted Chiang Kai-Shek involved in wartime conferences, and since they played a far larger wartime role in the defeat of the Axis, they got their way; but after victory, their own occupation of Korea, and partial occupation of Japan, they’d probably not have given Mao their unconditional backing, either, preferring to keep two separate regimes in check, one against the other.

Interesting to speculate, regardless. :’)


75 posted on 02/09/2014 7:06:59 AM PST by SunkenCiv (http://www.freerepublic.com/~mestamachine/)
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To: jmacusa; Telepathic Intruder; MacNaughton

The flash is bright enough to blind, but doesn’t necessarily get caught on film because it is so brief. Mid-air detonation is done to maximize damage to the target — the Tunguska blast was a natural event, consisting of a circa 100-foot object blowing apart before ground impact, and trees were knocked down for miles. Right under the mid-air explosion a stand of trees was left, dead, with all their limbs and branches gone; a similar phenom directly under the blast at Hiroshima was called a “telegraph pole forest”.


76 posted on 02/09/2014 7:20:39 AM PST by SunkenCiv (http://www.freerepublic.com/~mestamachine/)
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To: nickcarraway

My brother had a barber who thinks he witnessed the transportation of one of the atomic bombs. He was standing guard and not privy to the details of the cargo but he knew that there was a lot of something going on.


77 posted on 02/09/2014 7:21:31 AM PST by a fool in paradise ("Health care is too important to be left to the government.")
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To: I cannot think of a name; gaijin; RayChuang88

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/3120753/posts?page=74#74


78 posted on 02/09/2014 7:24:12 AM PST by SunkenCiv (http://www.freerepublic.com/~mestamachine/)
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To: Minutemantek
I question the possibility of this post because I know of no railroad between the Port of Hiroshima on the island of Honshu and the Port of Nagasaki on island of Kyushu.

I disagree. By 1941, it was possible to ride Japan Government Railroad (JGR) trains from Hiroshima to Nagasaki, though of course the passenger would have to change trains several times (remember by 1941 the Japanese built the Kannon Tunnel between Honshu and Kyushu islands and extended the rail line from Hakata (Fukuoka) to Nagasaki).

79 posted on 02/09/2014 9:29:28 AM PST by RayChuang88 (FairTax: America's economic cure)
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To: Telepathic Intruder

The real hard part was arming the thing in flight.


80 posted on 02/09/2014 10:07:54 AM PST by jmacusa ("Chasing God out of the classroom didn't usher in The Age of Reason''.)
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