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America's 5 Worst Wartime Presidents
The National Interest ^ | 04/18/2015 | Robert W. Merry

Posted on 04/19/2015 5:26:29 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

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To: eyedigress; DoodleDawg
According to you we should have concentrated on Saudi Arabia

Saudi Arabia and Pakistan are the enemy center of gravity.

Conquer them, the enemy falls.

Afghanistan needed a simple punitive expedition. Iraq should have been our ally in the conquest of Saudi Arabia. Turning the whole al-Saud clan over to Uday and Qusay could have been put on pay-per-view.

So, I don't know about Mr. Dog, but according to me, we should have declared war on Saudi Arabia and Pakistan by 9/16/01 at the latest.

That night, when Bush 43 addressed Congress, they would have given him anything he asked for.

61 posted on 04/19/2015 7:35:34 AM PDT by Jim Noble (If you can't discriminate, you are not free)
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To: DoodleDawg

As of 2009 10 of the 19 ‘hijackers were still alive. Who planned the demolition of the trade center, including building seven? Who put the entire nation’s radar grid into a fake ‘drill’ during the comandeering of the planes? How did people call and talk for twenty plus minutes using cell phones which do not work at the ascribed altitudes of those planes? How many of the growing refutations of the official lie can you answer?


62 posted on 04/19/2015 7:42:52 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Is it really all relative, Mister Einstein?)
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To: knarf

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63 posted on 04/19/2015 7:48:27 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Is it really all relative, Mister Einstein?)
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To: Gondring

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64 posted on 04/19/2015 7:49:33 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Is it really all relative, Mister Einstein?)
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To: Las Vegas Ron

I think you were the one that pointed him out. Same comments, style, and wording.


65 posted on 04/19/2015 7:59:22 AM PDT by CodeToad (Islam should be outlawed and treated as a criminal enterprise!)
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To: SeekAndFind
RE: What happened to Clinton?

As I recall Clinton was off crying because thousands of Americans weren't incinerated on his watch, the narcissistic prick!

66 posted on 04/19/2015 8:03:51 AM PDT by Mastador1 (I'll take a bad dog over a good politician any day!)
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To: knarf

People who use the term “neoconservative” hate Jews (er, Israel),
hate classic Anglo-American ideals, and
(almost always) support Muslim extremists and terrorism.


67 posted on 04/19/2015 8:53:55 AM PDT by Robert A Cook PE (I can only donate monthly, but socialists' ABBCNNBCBS continue to lie every day!)
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To: oh8eleven

Allowed the murdering of our educated, middle class young men and gave ALL money to Congress to spend as it wills .... pretty much covers every base


68 posted on 04/19/2015 10:09:02 AM PDT by knarf
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To: Robert A. Cook, PE
People who use the term “neoconservative” hate Jews...

I'm not following. Are you saying that neoconservatives hate Jews? Or are you saying that the Jew-haters are those who call others neoconservative?

69 posted on 04/19/2015 10:45:32 AM PDT by Leaning Right (Why am I holding this lantern? I am looking for the next Reagan.)
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To: CodeToad
I think you were the one that pointed him out. Same comments, style, and wording.

Nah, not me. I thought your posted double entendre was brilliant and had to comment on it.

I pegged it as a troll a while back but never thought of 'ol non sequitur....I think you nailed it.

70 posted on 04/19/2015 10:51:39 AM PDT by Las Vegas Ron ("Medicine is the keystone in the arch of socialism" Vladimir Lenin)
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To: SeekAndFind
More Americans died in the "Philippine Insurrection" than in the Spanish-American War, but Teddy Roosevelt does not make the list (that war was still going on when McKinley was assassinated).

Wilson led the US to victory in WWI...it was the peace settlement afterwards which was a failure ("the peace to end peace").

71 posted on 04/19/2015 11:57:59 AM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: SeekAndFind
Madison is subject of ongoing historical debate as to his success or failure as wartime president, but I consider him, on balance, more of a success than a failure, for reasons outlined in my book, Where They Stand: The American Presidents in the Eyes of Voters and Historians.

Merry, fleeing your house before it's burned down doesn't make one a successful president.

I guess maybe we can get beyond the 19th century territorial idea that having your capital taken over by the enemy automatically means losing a war, but still, dude, you can't exactly hold your head high if something like that happens on your watch, especially if the war wasn't the most necessary of fights.

Bearing in mind that Truman probably does get too much of a pass as it is from historians and the public, I'd put Madison on that list of worst war presidents.

I'd give TR a pass for the Philippines. Voters supported McKinley's policy in the election and TR was just following through. We can object now, but at the time, it would have been hard to reverse course.

Not sure if I'd give Nixon a pass, but the greater blame for Vietnam goes to Johnson (with Kennedy, Eisenhower, and Truman also carrying their share).

What about the moral aspect, though? Polk must have been a superior wartime president, but the morality of Mexican War has long been called into question.

72 posted on 04/19/2015 12:23:35 PM PDT by x
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To: eyedigress
George Bush did rather well

Not so much. But Merry also puts him on his list of the five worst presidents, and that verdict won't stand the test of time.

73 posted on 04/19/2015 12:26:49 PM PDT by x
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To: Leaning Right
Or are you saying that the Jew-haters are those who call others neoconservative?

Yes.

"Neocon" is virtually a curse-word itself as used by progressive/extremist/liberal democrat press corpse writers and TV heads today.

74 posted on 04/19/2015 1:35:09 PM PDT by Robert A Cook PE (I can only donate monthly, but socialists' ABBCNNBCBS continue to lie every day!)
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To: eyedigress

As I recall, a lot of that stuff was Torrecelli and Jamie Gorelick...the latter of which sat on the investigative committee...and was at the core of the Fannie Mae debacle.


75 posted on 04/19/2015 6:55:05 PM PDT by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: SeekAndFind

He also turned a successful completion of mission in Somalia into a debacle.


76 posted on 04/19/2015 6:57:49 PM PDT by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: knarf

After the Bush administration’s failure to discover weapons of mass destruction in Iraq,.....Left and lying.


77 posted on 04/19/2015 7:05:59 PM PDT by Safetgiver ( Islam makes barbarism look genteel.)
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To: eyedigress

Nor were the Japs. My dad T/5 Frank Arrigio, fought under MacArthur for 6 yrs. 5 major battles, and put the first US Flag back up on Corregidor under sniper fire with PFC Clyde Bates on a telegraph pole. Bronze Star recipient.

My BIL fought for 6 yrs under Merrill, clear though to Myitkyina.

Before Truman no VP was in the loop, they were more ceremonial in function.

I think that fighting terrorism falls under the same category as WW11. It may be more scattered, but it has to be treated the same. We do not need another ‘lets make friends’ president or vp. 0 has done enough damage to our Military.


78 posted on 04/20/2015 5:43:24 AM PDT by GailA (IF you fail to keep your promises to the Military, you won't keep them to Citizens!)
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