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VA hospitalís LSD experiments sped brotherís fall into schizophrenia, Leeís Summit man fears
The Kansas City Star ^ | 05 October 2016 | Joe Robertson

Posted on 10/07/2016 7:49:00 AM PDT by Theoria

Back then it was hard not to laugh, talking about LSD.

“It was like having my own TV set, all these little colored lights. ... I had this amazing experience looking down at myself … (and) at some point while I was up there I remembered what I heard about this chap who never made it back.”

Among those listening and laughing on the 1965 audio recording was Karl Menninger, one of the giants of psychiatry and co-founder of the Menninger Clinic, as he presided over an academic colloquium on hallucinogenic drugs.

The speaker on the tape, a medical student who had participated in LSD and peyote experiments, went on:

“I was still able to realize what was happening, I just wasn’t able to control it. Dr. Hammond (a researcher who also participated), on the other hand, was in total rational control of himself —”

So he says,” Menninger interjected, to more laughter.

When Michael Rowland of Lee’s Summit listens to the tape, now part of the Kansas Historical Society archives, it sounds “like Kansas farmers around a potbellied stove in the winter.” But the jokes and loose banter are painful.

Rowland thinks his late brother, Vietnam veteran Robert Rowland, was propelled into a post-war life with schizophrenia by experimental LSD in the VA hospital in Topeka more than four decades ago. The Navy veteran was already mentally wounded when he went to the VA for help.

The LSD experiments were conducted by VA psychiatrist Ken Godfrey, one of the doctors who had presented on his research in the 1965 colloquium at the Menninger Clinic, then in Topeka.

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TOPICS: Health/Medicine; Military/Veterans
KEYWORDS: lsd; military; ptsd; schizophrenia

1 posted on 10/07/2016 7:49:01 AM PDT by Theoria
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To: Theoria

This sounds like a twist in the film “Jacob’s Ladder”

2 posted on 10/07/2016 7:58:06 AM PDT by V K Lee (u TRUMP TRUMP TRUMP to TRIUMPH Follow the lead MAKE AMERICA GREAT)
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To: V K Lee

I rented that movie years ago. Really weird!

The video store owner said one of his friends saw it and had serious flashback nightmares to their time in Viet Nam.

3 posted on 10/07/2016 8:11:51 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (HANDGUNS; You don¬ít need it until you need it. And when you need it you NEED IT!¬Ē)
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To: Theoria

Unfortunately, the left has more sympathy against the death penalty for dirtbag scum like this perv, but is eager to encourage women to kill their babies in the womb inocents (abortion).

4 posted on 10/07/2016 8:22:57 AM PDT by broken_arrow1 (I regret that I have but one life to give for my country - Nathan Hale "Patriot")
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

It’s been years since the movie was seen. Never completely understood it, but it was strange enough to warrant remembering and there was no doubt at the time it was seen that our government would never hesitate to attempt such an experiment. Our government has never been trusted (personally) Our country is dearly loved; our government elites in office, not so much.

5 posted on 10/07/2016 8:47:35 AM PDT by V K Lee (u TRUMP TRUMP TRUMP to TRIUMPH Follow the lead MAKE AMERICA GREAT)
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To: Theoria
It is almost impossible to measure the amount of damage that psychoactive drugs prescribed by the medical profession as "magic bullets" has inflicted on and changed our society's face.

While the effects of LSD and its relatives show immediate and attributable manifestations, other "psychotropic" substances have brought on raging outcomes like mass shootings, suicidal episodes, and wrecked families that because of the permanent mental changesm are no longer treatable.

LSD and its obvious effects was left in the dust, but by 1971 all other kinds of mind-changers came onto the drugs market, making fortunes for their inventors, the certified psychiatrists who publicized them, and the GPs who were able to prescribe any blend the patient desired (and became irretrievably dependent on them).

Robert Whitaker, the medical journalist, has been writing about this for some time. The development of his interes is described here, in "Confessions of a Trespasser" (click here), a recounting of being drawn into reporting the covering of a mass of contrary evidence by the medical profession itself.

The LSD story here is only the beginning of a long history of medical abuse through these drugs. No one alive in the America of today has escaped being touched by this great fraud.

6 posted on 10/07/2016 11:54:35 AM PDT by imardmd1 (Fiat Lux)
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To: imardmd1

the demonstrated fact that marijuana use also increases the odds of developing schizophrenia is conveniently scuttled even here on FR. Many believe it is Nature’s Wonder Drug (at this point so highly messed with there’s almost nothing natural about it) to cure every ailment from cancer to asthma to your basic skin rash. Apparently there is nothing it can’t do s/

7 posted on 10/07/2016 12:05:56 PM PDT by Persevero (NUTS)
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To: Persevero

Some of those LSD experiments were also with “magic mushrooms,” IIRC. More natural stuff. But what concerns me is the slathering of antianxiety and antidepressive stuff across the whole military involved in Afghanistan and Iraq. Things like Seroquel and Xanax and the ilk develop a dependency extremely hard to leave, and have been at the roots of antisocial horrors, according to what I’ve read.

8 posted on 10/07/2016 2:01:23 PM PDT by imardmd1 (Fiat Lux)
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To: Persevero

Thank you.

Here are some studies that have been done that the hemp crowd may want to consider.

9 posted on 10/07/2016 6:25:34 PM PDT by Pete from Shawnee Mission
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