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Consumer Reports refuses to recommend Microsoft Surface Book 2 (before they evaluate it!?!?)
BetaNews ^ | Oct 20, 2017 | Mark Wycislik-Wilson

Posted on 10/20/2017 1:19:57 PM PDT by dayglored

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To: dayglored

Looks like James Comey found a new job.


21 posted on 10/20/2017 4:10:49 PM PDT by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: all armed conservatives)
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To: dayglored
Our decision to withhold our recommendation of all Microsoft laptops and tablets is still in effect

To clarify:

We believe our customers too stupid to figure out Windows, so we recommend they let Apple do all the thinking for them. (Oh, but thank God Office is available on Macs, b/c our customers would be lost without it.)
22 posted on 10/20/2017 4:53:43 PM PDT by nicollo (I said no!)
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To: tumblindice
> Looks like James Comey found a new job.

LOL! Good one!

23 posted on 10/20/2017 6:45:22 PM PDT by dayglored ("Listen. Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government.")
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To: nicollo
> We believe our customers too stupid to figure out Windows, so we recommend they let Apple do all the thinking for them. (Oh, but thank God Office is available on Macs, b/c our customers would be lost without it.)

Nah, CR has been just as hard on Apple too. I think they're just a bunch of malcontents who don't know nearly enough about computers to evaluate them properly.

24 posted on 10/20/2017 6:48:31 PM PDT by dayglored ("Listen. Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government.")
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To: dayglored

Possible they found serious problems with the first model and have specs that indicate the next model hasn’t done enough to address the issues...


25 posted on 10/21/2017 2:35:51 AM PDT by trebb (Where in the the hell has my country gone?)
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> Possible they found serious problems with the first model and have specs that indicate the next model hasn’t done enough to address the issues...

Yeah, they figure the Surface Book 2 is basically just an upgrade, not an overhaul, of the product.

They claim their "not recommended" rating is based on their evidence that 25% of Surface customers reported serious hardware-related problems with the systems -- breakage, dead, hangs, random shutdowns, crashes, etc. -- within the first two years of ownership. Microsoft's response was that Consumer Reports didn't appreciate the product's appeal to the customers.

Personally I think Microsoft's design is based on the assumption that folks will want to buy a new one every few years. It's not all that different from Apple's philosophy, actually. Apple makes their money off the hardware sales, so they have to move physical product on a regular basis. Microsoft tried the same thing with Surface.

26 posted on 10/21/2017 6:01:27 AM PDT by dayglored ("Listen. Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government.")
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To: dayglored; Post5203
I dunno, Consumer Reports has not generally been kind to Apple either. If Swordmaker is moonlighting at CR, he's not exactly doing a bang-up job. :-)

Consumer Reports just came out on October 16th with a list of five "best" smartphones where they listed the Samsung Galaxy S8, S8 Plus, and the Galaxy S7 and "better in performance than the two new iPhone 8 and iPhone 8 plus" . . . and then hid the actual article behind a paywall, where you had to subscribe to Consumer Reports. A news article in a South Korean Tech journal Yonhap, with the FUD headline of "Samsung's Galaxy S8 tops U.S. consumer review", which picked that up and crowed that even last year's Samung Galaxy S7 was faster in performance than Apple's New iPhone 8 citing Consumer Reports as a source, then the US's BGR tech journal, quoting the South Korean magazine, repeated the claim with a FUD headline "Consumer Reports says old Samsung phones are better than Apple’s brand new iPhone 8."

Neither of those two actually linked to the CR article. When you go to CR, and read between the lines, and parse what they were saying about phones that last between charges,

It turns out the ONLY "performance" Consumer Reports was reporting on was relative battery life performance, not actual phone speed or any other test of actual phone processor or GPU performance. LOL! They're listing purely battery life specs. Oops.

27 posted on 10/21/2017 9:33:55 AM PDT by Swordmaker (My pistol self-identifies as an iPad, so you must accept it in gun-free zones, you racist, bigot!)
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> It turns out the ONLY "performance" Consumer Reports was reporting on was relative battery life performance, not actual phone speed or any other test of actual phone processor or GPU performance.

"Let's see, of all the ratings, which one shows the Galaxy beating the iPhone? Battery life? Okay, then, we'll publish that one."

No agenda there, no bias there, oh no. Couldn't be.

Sheesh.

So did CR set the display brightness the same for that comparison? Screen brightness affects current drain considerably. And current draw in modern semiconductors is almost directly related to how many internal capacitances are being charged and discharged per second as the "ones" and "zeros" change around. (There's negligible static current consumption.) So one has to also be careful about what applications one is running, including background ones. Any active process will be drawing current proportional to its CPU/GPU usage.

So is the iPhone CPU/GPU performance better than the Galaxy's? If so, all else equal, it's gonna draw more current because it's manipulating more data per unit time. "Smart" monitoring and control of power consumption can do a lot to mitigate that, of course; such as slowing down when waiting for the user to do something, etc. Standard stuff in battery powered devices.

28 posted on 10/21/2017 10:08:02 AM PDT by dayglored ("Listen. Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government.")
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To: dayglored
Personally I think Microsoft's design is based on the assumption that folks will want to buy a new one every few years. It's not all that different from Apple's philosophy, actually. Apple makes their money off the hardware sales, so they have to move physical product on a regular basis. Microsoft tried the same thing with Surface.

Yep - it's a disposable world we live in today - I'm typing on a 7 year old computer with Win 7, my cell phone is 2-1/2 years old, and my wife says some of my clothes are older than our marriage of 26 years (I do have a Unit jacket, from the 2917th ESC, that is 40 years old from when I was stationed in Italy).

Ironic that many of the folks that always have the latest and greatest technologies are also on the Dole....

29 posted on 10/22/2017 2:42:41 AM PDT by trebb (Where in the the hell has my country gone?)
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I have a fast desktop machine, a nice 17” laptop and a Surface 3 Pro. While I had a Surface Pro 2 and liked it, the battery life was not really very good and it was a little thick for a tablet.

Well, the Surface 3 Pro is so nice that my wife got one too. We both love them. They have long life batteries, boot pretty quickly and run anything that our other machines can handle, although they are certainly not gaming machines.

These are small light and powerful. I don’t go anywhere without it, usually carrying it under my arm.

They are too expensive but sure are nice machines.


30 posted on 10/22/2017 5:02:11 PM PDT by JAKraig (my religion is at least as good as yours)
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To: freedumb2003
Horrible! Just looked it up:

How is it different from Windows 10 Home or Pro?

The big difference between Windows 10 S and any other version of Windows 10 is that 10 S can only run applications downloaded from the Windows Store. Every other version of Windows 10 has the option to install applications from third-party sites and stores, as has the majority of versions of Windows before it.

Which apps won’t Windows 10 S be able to run? Any apps that are not currently available in the Windows Store will not be able to be installed or run. That includes Apple’s iTunes, Google’s Chrome browser and the full versions of Adobe’s Acrobat, Photoshop and the rest of the Creative Suite – or anything else that’s installed via the traditional Windows 7 or earlier way .
31 posted on 10/24/2017 7:02:20 AM PDT by Codeflier (Thank you for speaking truth to power President Trump)
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>>Which apps won’t Windows 10 S be able to run? Any apps that are not currently available in the Windows Store will not be able to be installed or run. That includes Apple’s iTunes, Google’s Chrome browser and the full versions of Adobe’s Acrobat, Photoshop and the rest of the Creative Suite – or anything else that’s installed via the traditional Windows 7 or earlier way .<<

As I said, the Windows App Store is a desert. I write my own stuff using MSAccess and VBS (and MS provides a ton more tools such as PowerShell, Perl and others) — none can be used.

Whoever came up with this idea in the delusional belief they are the same as Android or Apple should be publicly flogged and otherwise treated like a malware writer.

This kills the SB market. Probably for good.

MS took a knee.


32 posted on 10/24/2017 8:17:20 AM PDT by freedumb2003 (Every Californian who supported "sanctuary state" has blood and ashes on his/her hands)
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>>These are small light and powerful. I don’t go anywhere without it, usually carrying it under my arm.<<

I assume you were not given Win 10S .


33 posted on 10/24/2017 8:18:08 AM PDT by freedumb2003 (Every Californian who supported "sanctuary state" has blood and ashes on his/her hands)
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No I was not given Win 10S, I wouldn’t touch that with a 10ft pole.


34 posted on 10/24/2017 7:11:59 PM PDT by JAKraig (my religion is at least as good as yours)
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