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When child sex isn't rape: French to set age of consent
AP via Drudge ^ | November 14, 2017

Posted on 11/14/2017 4:12:26 AM PST by PapaBear3625

PARIS (AP) — Is a 13-year-old girl old enough to agree to sex with an adult? That's a question France is asking itself as the government prepares to set a legal age for sexual consent for the first time.

Twice in recent weeks, French courts refused to prosecute grown men for rape after they had sex with 11-year-olds because authorities couldn't prove coercion. Amid public horror, the government is drafting a bill to say sex with children under a certain age is by definition coercive.

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Unmentioned in the article: Islam. The Justice Minister is "considering" setting age of consent at 13
1 posted on 11/14/2017 4:12:26 AM PST by PapaBear3625
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To: PapaBear3625

That’ll help muzzies and the pedophile crowd.


2 posted on 11/14/2017 4:17:47 AM PST by I want the USA back (Liberalism, like insanity, is the denial of reality.)
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To: PapaBear3625

Allahwahoo Sexbar!


3 posted on 11/14/2017 4:18:26 AM PST by Candor7 (Obama FAscism) http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html)
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To: PapaBear3625

I am actually surprised “feminist groups” are arguing for 15.


4 posted on 11/14/2017 4:19:41 AM PST by Renkluaf
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To: PapaBear3625

“Pedophilia is permitted in the Qur’an, was practiced by Prophet Muhammad and his companions, and some Muslims today continue to commit the crime, following their prophet’s example.”

https://wikiislam.net/wiki/Islam_and_Pedophilia


5 posted on 11/14/2017 4:21:12 AM PST by ETL (Obama-Hillary, REAL Russia collusion! Uranium-One Deal, Missile Defense, Nukes. See my FR page)
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To: DoodleDawg; TBP; Nifster; Angels27; MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

Ping to some of the Judge Moore thread participants. I wonder how the people who are outraged over Moore just dating young women, will respond to this? Or will they pretend to not see it?


6 posted on 11/14/2017 4:21:50 AM PST by PapaBear3625 (Big governent is attractive to those who think that THEY will be in control of it.)
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To: SunkenCiv

ping. Islamic pressure is making the French consider setting age of consent to 13.


7 posted on 11/14/2017 4:24:34 AM PST by PapaBear3625 (Big governent is attractive to those who think that THEY will be in control of it.)
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To: PapaBear3625

If France legalizes an age of consent that is below what it is in US states, every American pedophile with money will head there.

Note to France: French tourism has already hit the skids. Y’all need this like a hole in the head.


8 posted on 11/14/2017 4:25:03 AM PST by mewzilla (Was Obama surveilling John Roberts? Might explain a lot.)
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To: PapaBear3625

ping. Islamic pressure is making the French consider setting age of consent to 13.


No. They do not have an age of consent, at present.

It seems more likely this is an anti-Islamic backlash.


9 posted on 11/14/2017 4:26:27 AM PST by marktwain (President Trump and his supporters are the Resistance. His opponents are the Reactionaries.)
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To: Renkluaf
I am actually surprised “feminist groups” are arguing for 15.

They are intelligent enough to realize that "over 15" is currently a lost cause. "11" might be a lost cause in the increasingly Islamized areas:

"Twice in recent weeks, French courts refused to prosecute grown men for rape after they had sex with 11-year-olds because authorities couldn't prove coercion".

France might become the new destination for sex tourism.

10 posted on 11/14/2017 4:28:55 AM PST by PapaBear3625 (Big governent is attractive to those who think that THEY will be in control of it.)
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To: PapaBear3625

This is where it’s trending. The skinny end of the wedge has already gone in.


11 posted on 11/14/2017 4:29:13 AM PST by Mr Ramsbotham (Laws against sodomy are honored in the breech.)
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To: PapaBear3625

Well, if we have learned one thing from the Moore evenys kf the this past week, it is that teenage sex is Biblical.

“Also take Joseph and Mary. Mary was a teenager and Joseph was an adult carpenter” - Alabama State Auditor Jim Ziegler


12 posted on 11/14/2017 4:31:17 AM PST by oincobx
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To: mewzilla

If France legalizes an age of consent that is below what it is in US states, every American pedophile with money will head there.


Your comment does not make sense to me. France does not have an age of consent at present. If you can convince an 11 year old to have sex with you, it is legal at present, as shown in the courts.

So a 13 year old age of consent brings the French much closer to the American legal system.


13 posted on 11/14/2017 4:31:25 AM PST by marktwain (President Trump and his supporters are the Resistance. His opponents are the Reactionaries.)
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To: marktwain

France doesn’t have an age of consent right now, but that absence does not necessarily provide perfect legal protection. A codified age of consent provides far better. For predators. An age that low, 13, is an open invitation to predators, and I imagine France has enough of its own with out putting out the red carpet for more.


14 posted on 11/14/2017 4:36:11 AM PST by mewzilla (Was Obama surveilling John Roberts? Might explain a lot.)
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To: oincobx

Yeah that was a great defense.. idiots.


15 posted on 11/14/2017 4:36:15 AM PST by wyowolf (Be ware when the preachers take over the Republican party...)
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To: Renkluaf
NY Times: Can an 11-Year-Old Girl Consent to Sex?:
But in France, as long as “violence, coercion, threat or surprise” is not proven, sexual intercourse with a minor — even one under 15 — is considered an “atteinte sexuelle,” which is an infraction and not a crime. The trial takes place in a “tribunal correctionnel,” which handles infractions, and not at a “cour d’assises,” which is for the most serious crimes like murder or rape.

16 posted on 11/14/2017 4:36:24 AM PST by PapaBear3625 (Big governent is attractive to those who think that THEY will be in control of it.)
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To: PapaBear3625

Those mooselimbs will have sex with a 6 year old. They don’t care what France does because it is not sharia.


17 posted on 11/14/2017 4:37:06 AM PST by anton
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To: marktwain

Not exactly.

They were arrested and prosecuted. That is still a huge deterrent to ordinary folks.

The next court may convict.

The key element hey claimed was missing was ‘coercion’

And ‘coercion’ if an 11 year old will be far easier to prove than for an adult.


18 posted on 11/14/2017 4:38:00 AM PST by Pikachu_Dad ("the media are selling you a line of soap")
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To: marktwain
No. They do not have an age of consent, at present. It seems more likely this is an anti-Islamic backlash.

An anti-Islamic backlash would be to set age of consent to 16 or higher. That the Justice Minister is even openly considering having the age of consent be 13, indicates bowing to Islamic pressure.

19 posted on 11/14/2017 4:39:02 AM PST by PapaBear3625 (Big governent is attractive to those who think that THEY will be in control of it.)
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To: PapaBear3625; All

Islam and Pedophilia
From WikiIslam, the online resource on Islam

The following are summaries of pages discussing Islam, in relation to pedophilia:

Islamic Writing and Pedophilia
Main Articles: Qur’an, Hadith and Scholars:Pedophilia and Qur’an, Hadith and Scholars:Aisha

There are many references in authentic Islamic scripture concerning the permissibility of pedophilia.

‘A’isha (Allah be pleased with her) reported that Allah’s Apostle (may peace be upon him) married her when she was seven years old, and he was taken to his house as a bride when she was nine, and her dolls were with her; and when he (the Holy Prophet) died she was eighteen years old.
Sahih Muslim 8:3311

Pedophilia in the Qur’an
Main Article: Pedophilia in the Qur’an

The Qur’an permits pedophilia. The following Qur’anic verse allows sex with pre-pubescent girls who have not yet menstruated.

And (as for) those of your women who have despaired of menstruation, if you have a doubt, their prescribed time shall be three months, and of those too who have not had their courses; and (as for) the pregnant women, their prescribed time is that they lay down their burden; and whoever is careful of (his duty to) Allah He will make easy for him his affair.
Qur’an 65:4

What is being discussed is the Iddat, which is a waiting period a female must observe before she can remarry.

According to this verse, the stipulated waiting period for a divorced girl who has not yet menstruated is three months.

Muhammad Fits the Clinical Definition of a Pedophile
Main Article: Muhammad and the Clinical Definition of Pedophilia

Muhammad was a pedophile, even according to the most stringent clinical definition of pedophilia - the DSM-IV-TR:
A.

Over a period of at least six months, recurrent, intense sexually arousing fantasies, sexual urges, or behaviors involving sexual activity with a prepubescent child or children (generally age 13 years or younger).

B. The person has acted on these sexual urges, or the sexual urges or fantasies caused marked distress or interpersonal difficulty.

C. The person is at least age 16 years and at least 5 years older than the child or children in Criterion A.

Note: This does not include an individual in late adolescence involved in an ongoing sexual relationship with a 12- or 13-year-old.

PsychiatryOnline - Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, Fourth Edition

Muhammad was engaged to Aisha when she was only 6 year old and he was 51, and consummated the marriage while she was still pre-pubescent, aged 9 lunar years old. Thus he fulfilled all three requirements needed for a positive diagnosis.

Muhammad’s Companions and Pedophilia
Main Article: Muhammad’s Companions and Pedophilia

Besides Muhammad himself, his companions also committed pedophilia.

Umar was the 2nd caliph of Islam and married Umm Kulthum at a time when she was 10-12 years old. Some sources even say that she was five years old when Umar married her.

“’Umar asked ‘Ali for the hand of his daughter, Umm Kulthum in marriage.

‘Ali replied that she has not yet attained the age (of maturity). ‘Umar replied, ‘By Allah, this is not true.

You do not want her to marry me.

If she is underage, send her to me’.

Thus ‘Ali gave his daughter Umm Kulthum a dress and asked her to go to ‘Umar and tell him that her father wants to know what this dress is for.

When she came to Umar and gave him the message, he grabbed her hand and forcibly pulled her towards him.

‘Umm Kulthum asked him to leave her hand, which Umar did and said, ‘You are a very mannered lady with great morals.

Go and tell your father that you are very pretty and you are not what he said of you’.

With that ‘Ali married Umm Kulthum to ‘Umar.”

Tarikh Khamees, Volume 2, p. 384 (’Dhikr Umm Kalthum’) and Zakhair Al-Aqba, p. 168

https://wikiislam.net/wiki/Islam_and_Pedophilia


20 posted on 11/14/2017 4:43:28 AM PST by ETL (Obama-Hillary, REAL Russia collusion! Uranium-One Deal, Missile Defense, Nukes. See my FR page)
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