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Trump Envisions an A.T.F. Without the A or T
New York Times ^ | 01/19/2018 | ALI WATKINS and MATT APUZZO

Posted on 01/19/2018 2:11:22 PM PST by sodpoodle

The Trump administration has drafted plans to strip key authorities from the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, senior administration officials said on Friday, an acknowledgment that the agency has all but abandoned its legacy of fighting liquor and tobacco smugglers.

The A.T.F. traces its roots to Eliot Ness and the Prohibition-era federal agents made famous in the movie “The Untouchables.” But the modern A.T.F. has focused its stagnant budget on violent crime and bombings, while tobacco smuggling — a little-known crime that costs the government billions in lost taxes each year — goes largely unenforced.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Education; Society
KEYWORDS: alcohol; atf; banglist; firearms; tobacco
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Where is the IRS????
1 posted on 01/19/2018 2:11:22 PM PST by sodpoodle
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To: sodpoodle

This is crazy. Who ever heard of making the government smaller and taking authority and power away from bureaucracy? Winning!


2 posted on 01/19/2018 2:15:49 PM PST by Tao Yin
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Is creating a government agency to focus on taking guns away from citizens making the government smaller?


3 posted on 01/19/2018 2:16:58 PM PST by nickcarraway
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To: sodpoodle

Well they are already viewed by many as F Troop....


4 posted on 01/19/2018 2:17:10 PM PST by Secret Agent Man ( Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: sodpoodle

In order to audit gun shop paperwork why do they need to carry firearms..?

they shouldn’t carry firearms.


5 posted on 01/19/2018 2:18:59 PM PST by gaijin
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To: sodpoodle

Thanks, Nixon. Also, thanks for the $10,000 cash reporting requirement, which has not been inflation adjusted since it was enacted in 1970.


6 posted on 01/19/2018 2:20:01 PM PST by Ken H (Best election ever!)
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To: sodpoodle

how about without the F?...................


7 posted on 01/19/2018 2:20:08 PM PST by Red Badger (Wanna surprise? Google your own name. Wanna have fun? Google your friends names......)
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To: nickcarraway
Is creating a government agency to focus on taking guns away from citizens making the government smaller?

I don't think we read the same article. Here's the first statement...

The Trump administration has drafted plans to strip key authorities from the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives

Unless my reading comprehension is gone, this article is about striping power from government rather than creating a new agency. You can complain that Trump isn't going far enough, but I don't understand your point.

8 posted on 01/19/2018 2:22:57 PM PST by Tao Yin
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To: sodpoodle

Winning, and I’m not tired yet!


9 posted on 01/19/2018 2:23:29 PM PST by bkopto
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To: sodpoodle

10 posted on 01/19/2018 2:25:08 PM PST by mountn man (The Pleasure You Get From Life, Is Equal To The Attitude You Put Into It)
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To: Tao Yin

The amazing thing is the previous GOP Presidents and Congresses wouldn’t even take little baby steps like consolidating the absurdly redundant federal law enforcement agencies.


11 posted on 01/19/2018 2:25:54 PM PST by WatchungEagle
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To: Red Badger

how about without the F?...................

= = = = = = = = = =

That would be W T F?


12 posted on 01/19/2018 2:27:39 PM PST by xrmusn ((6/98)""In todays world:::WE, THE USofA are Rudyard Kiplings 'Tommy'")
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LOL!\............................


13 posted on 01/19/2018 2:30:09 PM PST by Red Badger (Wanna surprise? Google your own name. Wanna have fun? Google your friends names......)
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To: WatchungEagle
The amazing thing is the previous GOP Presidents and Congresses wouldn’t even take little baby steps like consolidating the absurdly redundant federal law enforcement agencies.

No kidding! I can't believe how much I'm enjoying President Trump. I remember being in the voting booth and asking myself if I could really vote for Trump. I reluctantly voted for Trump. Now, in 2020, I'm going to vote for Trump with a smile on my face. So much winning!

Trump Happiness Montage

14 posted on 01/19/2018 2:31:50 PM PST by Tao Yin
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To: sodpoodle

Prohibition is over (see 21st Amendment), so the “A” should go. Tobacco is a legal substance, so the “T” should go. Firearms ownership is Constitutionally protected (see 2nd Amendment), so the “F” should go. That leaves the “E” for explosives. We do not need an entire federal agency just for explosives. The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives should be abolished.


15 posted on 01/19/2018 2:35:13 PM PST by Repeal 16-17 (Let me know when the Shooting starts.)
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To: Tao Yin

Well, I think you are failing to see the big picture. It sounds to meek like they are an empowering an agency to go after guns full time and with full force.


16 posted on 01/19/2018 2:37:28 PM PST by nickcarraway
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Well, I think you are failing to see the big picture. It sounds to [me] like they are an empowering an agency to go after guns full time and with full force.

Fair enough. That is certainly a valid concern, but I still consider it a win to see government loosing ground rather than continually gaining.

Before Trump, it would have seemed natural to expand to ATF to include sugary drinks as well.

17 posted on 01/19/2018 2:42:20 PM PST by Tao Yin
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To: Tao Yin

Read the article - the enforcement on alcohol and tobacco is not going away, it will be enforced by a new agency under the Treasury Department. I think the only change is that more time and money will be spent enforcing gun laws against noncriminal citizens.


18 posted on 01/19/2018 2:48:05 PM PST by nickcarraway
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To: Repeal 16-17

“E” is covered by the 2nd Amendment as well.


19 posted on 01/19/2018 3:04:18 PM PST by ctdonath2 (It's not "white privilege", it's "Puritan work ethic". Behavior begets consequences.)
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To: sodpoodle

Needs to be without the F !! No exceptions , End them now. The 2nd amendment is absolute.


20 posted on 01/19/2018 3:06:58 PM PST by precisionshootist
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