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1 posted on 01/22/2018 12:31:07 PM PST by GoldenState_Rose
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“The Russian Orthodox Church is used ‘as a political’ tool, he says, by Putin whose history raises questions about the sincerity of his faith.”

The Russian Orthodox Church has always guarded its territory zealously. No further explanation is needed to explain the expulsion of a Baptist missionary.

Many Americans would be insulted if the Russians started sending missionaries here. We’re the ones who send missionaries, not the ones who need them. Why wouldn’t the Russian Orthodox feel the same way?


2 posted on 01/22/2018 12:37:30 PM PST by dsc (Any attempt to move a government to the left is a crime against humanity.)
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To: GoldenState_Rose

Then what about John Calvin’s?


3 posted on 01/22/2018 12:39:34 PM PST by cmj328 (We live here.)
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4 posted on 01/22/2018 12:40:55 PM PST by Red Badger (Wanna surprise? Google your own name. Wanna have fun? Google your friends names......)
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Anyone who knows anything about him knows this. He was raised by the NKVD/KGB/FSB.


5 posted on 01/22/2018 12:41:49 PM PST by nickcarraway
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But the one religious group not affected by the so-called Yarovaya law is the Russian Orthodox Church.

Uh, yeah. Russian Orthodoxy is the state religion of Russia. Any one who visits there should know that going in.

And anyone who visits Russia should also know going in that people in Russia do not have the same freedoms that we have in the United States. That's just a fact.

12 posted on 01/22/2018 12:46:51 PM PST by WayneS (An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last. - Winston Churchill)
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Many countries, from China, to Korea, to Germany, to Saudi Arabia and Afghanistan have banned specific religious groups and proselytization. Certainly not ideal, but we don’t view any of them as enemies.

Hell, American soldiers are even sent to die for the needs of Saudis and Afghanis.

Is George Soros paying you per each anti-Russian post you make?


17 posted on 01/22/2018 12:56:18 PM PST by PGR88
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China does the same thing with confusciousism - Communists learned late in the game state religions are a great way of controlling the masses. Which is why both China and now Russia have abandoned atheism and embraced religion - so long as it’s theres.

You see the same movements now in the Democrat party. God is who they say He (or she) is and you better toe the line or you’re not right with God.


22 posted on 01/22/2018 1:02:01 PM PST by Skywise
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To: GoldenState_Rose

Communism is the opposite of Christianity. No surprise here.


28 posted on 01/22/2018 1:14:33 PM PST by DungeonMaster (Goblins, Orcs and the Undead: Metaphors for the godless left.)
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Regardless of Putin's inner convictions as a Christian nobody can deny that Putin is helping the Orthodox Church reestablish itself after being nearly wiped out of existence by the communists. That makes Putin Christian enough for me.

After all, whom I to question God's will to use whatever agent he chooses to protect his church?

Looking through the Bible, we see many examples of such nonbelievers helping out with God's plan directly.

Ezra 1:1-4 New King James Version (NKJV)

End of The Babylonian Captivity
1 Now in the first year of Cyrus king of Persia, that the word of the Lord by the mouth of Jeremiah might be fulfilled, the Lord stirred up the spirit of Cyrus king of Persia, so that he made a proclamation throughout all his kingdom, and also put it in writing, saying,

2 Thus says Cyrus king of Persia:

All the kingdoms of the earth the Lord God of heaven has given me. And He has commanded me to build Him a house at Jerusalem which is in Judah. 3 Who is among you of all His people? May his God be with him, and let him go up to Jerusalem which is in Judah, and build the house of the Lord God of Israel (He is God), which is in Jerusalem. 4 And whoever is left in any place where he dwells, let the men of his place help him with silver and gold, with goods and livestock, besides the freewill offerings for the house of God which is in Jerusalem.

32 posted on 01/22/2018 1:27:22 PM PST by WMarshal (John McCain is the turd in America's punch bowl. McLame cannot even fake an injury.)
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I don’t particularly care if Putin’s Christianity is sincere. He loves and protects his country and is good for Russia. He is not our ally but he still loves America more than Schumer/Pelosi/Obama do. I’ll take him, warts and all.


36 posted on 01/22/2018 2:03:53 PM PST by Pollster1 ("Governments derive their just powers from the consent of the governed")
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To: GoldenState_Rose

Same with a lot of TV preachers.


40 posted on 01/22/2018 2:27:37 PM PST by JimRed ( TERM LIMITS, NOW! Build the Wall Faster! TRUTH is the new HATE SPEECH.)
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To: GoldenState_Rose

If Putin has stopped killing people, and confessed Jesus Christ is Lord, why can’t he be a Christian?

5.56mm


43 posted on 01/22/2018 2:37:49 PM PST by M Kehoe
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To: GoldenState_Rose

Putin didn’t idolize Jeremiah Wright as our Kenyan did.


45 posted on 01/22/2018 2:42:11 PM PST by Joe Bfstplk (A Texas Deplorable.)
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My 2 cents,

Okay, Christianity is indeed a pawn, in Russia, in Syria, in my opinion but nonetheless, some good things can come from Putin’s actions. Undoubtedly, some bad comes from Putin’s actions too, so yes, we are quite the spectators. I don’t trust the Russian government on matters such as North Korea for example or Ukraine.


58 posted on 01/22/2018 3:46:59 PM PST by BeadCounter
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Anyone can research “Jehovah’s witnesses” and Russia and see they are clamped down on. I’m no JW; I think there religion is pretty far out there. So, it kind of comes down to what are we talking about, “Freedom of Religion”.

That said, Islam is strong in parts of Russia, undoubtedly. That situation needs to be watched.


60 posted on 01/22/2018 3:48:34 PM PST by BeadCounter
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Vladimir Putin's Christianity is a facade, says expelled US missionary

Heck; a bunch of FReepers probably think mine is as well.

70 posted on 01/22/2018 4:35:49 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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Moscow church destroyed in sign of new Russian repression Posted on Sep 26, 2012 | by Jill Nelson

MOSCOW (BP) -- It was in the early hours of the morning on Sept. 6 when Pastor Vasili Romanyuk's phone rang. A group of men backed by local police were demolishing his Holy Trinity Pentecostal Church, housed in a three-story building nestled in a Moscow suburb. As word spread, congregants arrived at the scene hoping to save the building, but their efforts were futile. By dawn the church was in ruins and some of its most valuable contents were missing.

An isolated incident? A misunderstanding? Analysts watching the current climate in the former Cold War country don't think so: "This destruction of the church is about as concrete of evidence as you can get that something very bad and very troubling is taking place," said Katrina Lantos Swett, chair of the U.S. Commission on International Religious Freedom. "This could not have happened without the backing, support, and implicit blessing of the police."

The incident is just one sign of deteriorating freedoms in Russia, and behind the scenes a cozy relationship between the Kremlin and the Russian Orthodox Church has raised more than a few eyebrows. As President Vladimir Putin digs into his third term, a number of Kremlin crackdowns involving vague interpretations of the country's extremism law and other human-rights abuses are troubling signs that the country has slipped into a familiar, repressive era.

"When you have unknown people backed by the police coming out at midnight to begin tearing down a church, you know something doesn't smell right," Lantos Swett said.

Officials evicted Holy Trinity Church from its original building in 1995 and relocated the church to the eastern Moscow suburb. The congregation used its own funds to construct a new building and repeatedly battled officials over permits. The church demolition and its history reflect an emerging pattern: Authorities confiscate land from non-favored religious communities and force the congregation to relocate to a remote suburb, the religious leaders apply for permits that are subsequently denied, and officials confiscate (once again) or demolish the relocated congregation, citing lack of proper documentation.

Pastor Romanyuk and a small group of the church's 550 congregants arrived on site around 3:30 a.m. as about 45 men claiming to be civil volunteers blocked them from the building and threw stones. "When I arrived, I just burst into tears," 25-year-old Natalya Cherevichinik told The Moscow Times as she surveyed the destruction. "I couldn't believe that something that had been built over several years could be destroyed in a few hours."

Russian Evangelicals Leery of Orthodox Church, Friday, December 30, 2011:

class="adjusted">MOSCOW, Russia -- For decades, the Russian Orthodox Church was persecuted under the Soviet Union's Communist Party.

Since the early 1990s, the church has grown in size and influence as its relationship with the Russian government has improved significantly.

However, that cozy relationship worries the country's evangelicals.

Threats Against Evangelicals

For eight years, Yuri Sipko ran one of the largest Baptist organizations in Russia. Now, 20 years after the fall of Communism, he worries about the growing threats against the country's evangelical movement.

"The collapse of Communism was supposed to usher in an era of greater religious freedom, but I'm concerned we are moving in the wrong direction," Sipko said.

What makes the Russian evangelicals very concerned is an emerging relationship between the Russian government and the Russian Orthodox Church.

"For example, the government recently introduced religious classes based on the principals of the Orthodox Church in public schools," Sipko said.

"Then late last year, the Russian president announced an initiative to appoint Orthodox chaplains to all army units," he said. "Our constitution clearly states no religion can be the state religion."

Russia Church-State Relations

Russia watchers credit two men, Prime Minister Vladimir Putin and President Dmitry Medvedev, for elevating the church's prominence. The state media has also played a key role, often showing the leaders attending church services.

Sergey Ryakhovski knows both men well. As head of Russia's Pentecostal Union, he meets regularly with top government and Orthodox Church leaders.

Ryakhovski worries that the Orthodox Church's influence is coming at the expense of religious freedom, especially for minority groups such as Christians, Jews, Muslims, and Buddhists.

"There are so many laws and by-laws that regulate religious life in Russia," Ryakhovski said. "For example, evangelical Christians just can't go out and buy a church building or buy a piece of land to build a church."

"Plus, criticizing or challenging the Orthodox Church is not a task for all," he added.

Orthodox Church Revival

The Russian Orthodox Church on the other hand has had it easy in recent times after decades of state persecution.

Church buildings that were destroyed during the Soviet era have been rebuilt with Russian taxpayer money. In the past 20 years, the government has spent hundreds of millions of dollars restoring some 23,000 churches.

Most Russians say they belong to the Orthodox Church. Yet CBN News found mixed reactions on the streets of Moscow to the growing bond between church and state

At Expense of All Others, Putin Picks a Church

By CLIFFORD J. LEVY Published: April 24, 2008

STARY OSKOL, Russia —

It was not long after a Methodist church put down roots here that the troubles began.

First came visits from agents of the F.S.B., a successor to the K.G.B., who evidently saw a threat in a few dozen searching souls who liked to huddle in cramped apartments to read the Bible and, perhaps, drink a little tea. Local officials then labeled the church a “sect.” Finally, last month, they shut it down.

There was a time after the fall of Communism when small Protestant congregations blossomed here in southwestern Russia, when a church was almost as easy to set up as a general store. Today, this industrial region has become emblematic of the suppression of religious freedom under President Vladimir V. Putin.

Just as the government has tightened control over political life, so, too, has it intruded in matters of faith. The Kremlin’s surrogates in many areas have turned the Russian Orthodox Church into a de facto official religion, warding off other Christian denominations that seem to offer the most significant competition for worshipers. They have all but banned proselytizing by Protestants and discouraged Protestant worship through a variety of harassing measures, according to dozens of interviews with government officials and religious leaders across Russia.

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In contrast,

the early days of the American experiment the famous French Catholic political thinker and historian, Alexis de Tocqueville (1805-1859) best known for his two volume, "Democracy in America") attested,

Upon my arrival in the United States, the religious aspect of the country was the first thing that struck my attention; and the longer I stayed there, the more did I perceive the great political consequences resulting from this state of things, to which I was unaccustomed. In France I had almost always seen the spirit of religion and the spirit of freedom pursuing courses diametrically opposed to each other; but in America I found that they were intimately united, and that they reigned in common over the same country. <

The sects that exist in the United States are innumerable. They all differ in respect to the worship which is due to the Creator; but they all agree in respect to the duties which are due from man to man. Each sect adores the Deity in its own peculiar manner, but all sects preach the same moral law in the name of God...Moreover, all the sects of the United States are comprised within the great unity of Christianity, and Christian morality is everywhere the same...

n the United States the sovereign authority is religious, and consequently hypocrisy must be common; but there is no country in the whole world in which the Christian religion retains a greater influence over the souls of men than in America, and there can be no greater proof of its utility, and of its conformity to human nature, than that its influence is most powerfully felt over the most enlightened and free nation of the earth...

The Americans combine the notions of Christianity and of liberty so intimately in their minds, that it is impossible to make them conceive the one without the other; and with them this conviction does not spring from that barren traditionary faith which seems to vegetate in the soul rather than to live... Thus religious zeal is perpetually warmed in the United States by the fires of patriotism. These men do not act exclusively from a consideration of a future life; eternity is only one motive of their devotion to the cause. If you converse with these missionaries of Christian civilization, you will be surprised to hear them speak so often of the goods of this world, and to meet a politician where you expected to find a priest. (Democracy in America, [New York: A. S. Barnes & Co., 1851), pp. 331, 332, 335, 336-7, 337; http://xroads.virginia.edu/~HYPER/DETOC/religion/ch1_17.htm)

And Benjamin Franklin also advertised,

And the Divine Being seems to have manifested His approbation of the mutual forbearance and kindness by which the different sects treat each other, and by the remarkable prosperity with which He has been please to favor the whole country. (Benjamin Franklin, "Information to those who would Remove to America" In Franklin, Benjamin. The Bagatelles from Passy. Ed. Lopez, Claude A. New York: Eakins Press. 1967; http://mith.umd.edu//eada/html/display.php?docs=franklin_bagatelle4.xml. Also, John Gould Curtis, American history told by contemporaries .... Volume 3, p. 26)

We cannot doubt that the Russian Orthodox Church is an arm of the government. It's infiltration and control by the KGB is quite well known, and its corruption is just as extreme as any other sector of the "post"-Communist society of Russia. For example: "Kirill, who was the Metropolitan of Smolensk, succeeds Alexei II who died in December after 18 years as head of the Russian Church. According to material from the Soviet archives, Kirill was a KGB agent (as was Alexei). This means he was more than just an informer, of whom there were millions in the Soviet Union. He was an active officer of the organization. Neither Kirill nor Alexei ever acknowledged or apologized for their ties with the security agencies. As head of the church’s department of foreign church relations, Kirill gained the reputation of a relatively enlightened church leader. He met with Pope Benedict, and he has been attacked by church conservatives for “ecumenism.”Snip... http://www.forbes.com/2009/02/20/putin-solzhenitsyn-kirill-russia-opinions-contributors_orthodox_church.html

73 posted on 01/22/2018 4:46:10 PM PST by daniel1212 (Trust the risen Lord Jesus to save you as a damned and destitute sinner + be baptized + follow Him)
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To: GoldenState_Rose

So was Bill Clinton’s.


79 posted on 01/22/2018 7:58:15 PM PST by Henry Hnyellar
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It’s just like Machiavelli. In his (in)famous work “The Prince”, he basically says that it’s not necessarily a good thing for a leader to be sincerely religious, but rather it’s better for him to PRETEND to be religious.


80 posted on 01/22/2018 7:59:09 PM PST by Jacob Kell (Ryan Sawyer is a putzhead who makes homeschooling look attractive.)
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'I think that is all just for show. He portrays himself to the Russian people as a moral leader, a Christian leader. I think that is just a façade he puts on because he knows it sells well.'

I think is a very weak argument.

The missionary is Fundamental Baptist and a graduate of Hyles (Jack Hyles) - Anderson College (1985).

In 1972, Hyles–Anderson College was founded by Jack Hyles with financial support from Russell Anderson. The school was originally located on a campus known as Baptist City in Schererville, Indiana. HAC's former campus was turned into Hammond Baptist K-12 school. This school is also operated by the First Baptist Church of Hammond.

The college's first president was Robert J. Billings, who later served as Ronald Reagan's "liaison to the fundamentalist Christian movement in the 1980 presidential campaign" and then spent six years in the U.S. Education Department as well as was a founding member of the Moral Majority.[2][3]

Hyles-Anderson alumni have pastored over 572 churches within the US and Guam.[4] Over 123 alumni compose missionary families, church planters, and mission teams around the world with Fundamental Baptist Missions International[5] and many hundreds have teamed up with other mission boards as well.[6][7][8] One graduate, Jon Nelms, started the Final Frontiers Foundation mission board, which has led to the creation of over 44,000 churches worldwide.[9]

When Hyles died in 2001, his son-in-law Jack Schaap, a 1979 graduate and former vice president of the school since 1996, became chancellor.[10] That same year Hyles' boyhood home, a 384 square foot (36 square meter) shack in Italy, Texas was purchased to create a museum to honor Hyles and was shipped from Texas to Hyles–Anderson College.[11] Schaap was removed as chancellor in 2012 after federal officials began looking into child abuse allegations, to which Schaap later pleaded guilty.[12]

In 2012, Chicago Magazine reported that the school "appears to be struggling" with only 1,000 students enrolled, down from 2,700 in its peak.[12] Schaap noted that donations dropped and staff lay-offs occurred before his arrest.[13]

In 2015 Stuart Mason,[14] the former President of Hyles–Anderson College, resigned to Pastor the Timberline Baptist Church in Sherwood, Oregon. The next President will be John Wilkerson.

93 posted on 01/25/2018 7:55:53 PM PST by af_vet_1981 (The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began.)
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