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See. Progressives do not separate "society" and "government"
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Posted on 02/22/2018 8:01:43 PM PST by ProgressingAmerica

This is progressive ideology 101 here.

Forget that this is gun grabbing. Forget that this is running to the camera seeking the spotlight.

Kamala Harris, who is working very hard to position herself as a future presidential candidate, recently said the following:

When you see the effect of this extreme violence on a human body, and especially the body of a child, maybe it will shock some people into understanding this cannot be a political issue. We have to be practical. I support the Second Amendment, but we have to have smart gun safety laws. We cannot tolerate a society and live in a country with any level of pride when our babies are being slaughtered.

Yes, it 100% can be a non-political issue.

Our United States Constitution starts out with the phrase "We the People" - and then it sets out to limit government any way it sensibly can. This is an indictment of government. This is a call to action for people to act outside of the governmental sphere. In saying "We the People", it means "not them, the government". Get up off your couch and go do it yourself.

But progressives do not or are physically incapable of understanding this. I am not a progressive, so I ultimately cannot say for certain if their brains are incapable of it or if this is a bit of propaganda on their part in order to confuse others and promote the sanctity of big national government. However, the end result is the same.

For a progressive, government is society and society is government. There is no distinction, there is no difference, there is no separation. In the dictionary of progressivism, the words "government" and "society" have the exact, word-for-word entry.

We conservatives, however, understand that government is a sinister foreign entity in the mix of society.

There is also a part of me who thinks that this is sheer laziness. When some progressive be it Kamala Harris or any other starts some phrase with "I cannot..... a society that..." or "We deserve...... better society than....." and then immediately they leave society and start talking about laws and government instead, it's because they themselves do not want to be involved. They don't want to get their hands dirty. They don't want to do heavy lifting and hard work.

We the people be damned, the progressive says. I'm not lifting a finger here. That's someone else's job. That's not my job! "Somebody should do something!" - just not me.

Ideologically, this very is important to understand. Progressives do not or cannot separate government and society. However, to me that's a foreign concept - they are clearly two different things.


TOPICS: Reference; Society
KEYWORDS: bloggers; ideology; progressingamerica; progressivism

1 posted on 02/22/2018 8:01:43 PM PST by ProgressingAmerica
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2 posted on 02/22/2018 8:02:23 PM PST by ProgressingAmerica (We cannot leave history to "the historians" anymore.)
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To: ProgressingAmerica

Whenever the word “but” follows the words “I support the Second Amendment”, you know that the first statement was a lie.


3 posted on 02/22/2018 8:07:50 PM PST by Bob (Damn, the democrats haven't been this upset since Republicans freed their slaves.)
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To: ProgressingAmerica

“Progressives do not or cannot separate government and society. “

Their church is the state & they genuflect to three gods...government, genitalia and global warming.


4 posted on 02/22/2018 8:08:33 PM PST by Electric Graffiti (Obama voters killed America...Treat them accordingly.)
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To: ProgressingAmerica

Everything for the State, nothing outside the State, nothing against the State.

-Benito Mussolini

And the funny thing is, if one replaces “State” with “Race”, it becomes the operating philosophy of La Raza.


5 posted on 02/22/2018 8:09:56 PM PST by Fred Hayek (The Democratic Party is now the operational arm of the CPUSA)
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To: ProgressingAmerica

Government should NEVER be conflated with society.

Every society is made of three parts: the Family, The Church, and The Marketplace.

Government is an imposition upon society. An imposition which,even at its best, is only a necessary evil.


6 posted on 02/22/2018 8:15:25 PM PST by BenLurkin (The above is not a statement of fact. It is either satire or opinion. Or both.)
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To: ProgressingAmerica

“When you see the effect of this extreme violence on a human body, and especially the body of a child, maybe it will shock some people into understanding this cannot be a political issue... We cannot tolerate a society and live in a country with any level of pride when our babies are being slaughtered.”

How can anyone utter these words and also support abortion?


7 posted on 02/22/2018 10:21:04 PM PST by unlearner (You will never come to know that which you do not know until you first know that you do not know it.)
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To: ProgressingAmerica

For any and all issues, problems, situations, even hypotheticals, the first, the last, the everytime answer from Liberal Creepozoids is a government action and / or solution. This always reminds me of what one of them said about the consequences of elections for democRATS ‘if we do not win, we do not eat.’ Competing, even existing in the private sector is not just anathema to them, it is beyond them.


8 posted on 02/22/2018 11:50:15 PM PST by Ronaldus Magnus III (Do, or do not, there is no try.)
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To: ProgressingAmerica
The first two paragraph’s of Thomas Paine’s 1776 Common Sense:
SOME writers have so confounded society with government, as to leave little or no distinction between them; whereas they are not only different, but have different origins. Society is produced by our wants, and government by our wickedness; the former promotes our happiness POSITIVELY by uniting our affections, the latter NEGATIVELY by restraining our vices. The one encourages intercourse, the other creates distinctions. The first is a patron, the last a punisher.

Society in every state is a blessing, but Government, even in its best state, is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one: for when we suffer, or are exposed to the same miseries BY A GOVERNMENT, which we might expect in a country WITHOUT GOVERNMENT, our calamity is heightened by reflecting that we furnish the means by which we suffer. Government, like dress, is the badge of lost innocence; the palaces of kings are built upon the ruins of the bowers of paradise. For were the impulses of conscience clear, uniform and irresistibly obeyed, man would need no other lawgiver; but that not being the case, he finds it necessary to surrender up a part of his property to furnish means for the protection of the rest; and this he is induced to do by the same prudence which in every other case advises him, out of two evils to choose the least. Wherefore, security being the true design and end of government, it unanswerably follows that whatever form thereof appears most likely to ensure it to us, with the least expense and greatest benefit, is preferable to all others.


9 posted on 02/23/2018 5:56:12 AM PST by conservatism_IS_compassion (Presses can be 'associated,' or presses can be independent. Demand independent presses.)
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To: ProgressingAmerica
Thomas Paine contrasts society and government thusly:
Society
  • is produced by our wants,
  • POSITIVELY by uniting our affections
  • encourages intercourse
  • is a patron
  • in every state is a blessing.
Government
  • is produced by our wickedness; the former,
  • promotes our happiness NEGATIVELY by restraining our vices.
  • creates distinctions.
  • is a punisher.
  • even in its best state, is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one
To conflate “society” with “government” is therefore a cynical exercise which uses the good name of society for the evil (even if necessary) of government. IMHO the best definition of actual socialism is “cynicism towards society and concomitant naive faith in government.”

And “cynicism” can be defined as “the conceit that negativity is objectivity.” An example of cynicism, therefore exists wherever anyone knows that they are negative and yet claims to be objective. Which describes journalism. Journalists know that bad news sells, and journalists look high and low to find it. Bad news can either be a scandal which embarrasses society and those in whom society places trust. Or it can be the failure of government to prevent the (inevitable) limitations of society.

Consequently journalism as we know it inherently functions as socialist propaganda.


10 posted on 02/23/2018 6:18:06 AM PST by conservatism_IS_compassion (Presses can be 'associated,' or presses can be independent. Demand independent presses.)
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