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When Rome Fell, the Chief Culprits Were Climate and Disease. Sound Familiar?
Undark ^ | March 16, 2018 | Madeline Ostrander

Posted on 03/19/2018 5:36:17 AM PDT by C19fan

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To: C19fan

Listening to Rush the other week and he posed an interesting question...

No matter how long the earth has been around, 2,000 years, 10,000 years, 1 million years, 4.5 billion years, why is the current climate considered the norm? Is it just coincidence that the norm is occurring during the life of these scientists?


41 posted on 03/19/2018 8:47:56 AM PDT by CodeJockey (Trump... The exorcist of Cultural Marxism)
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To: C19fan
But seriously folks.

There was no fire from Heaven moment called "The Fall of Rome".

There were some rough spots of barbarian invasions and the like, but no definite "fall". It was a slow decline spread out over centuries, giving way to the Middle Ages.

42 posted on 03/19/2018 8:59:42 AM PDT by Salman (I don't do Facebook, and neither should you.)
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Rome had a Deep State.


43 posted on 03/19/2018 9:38:29 AM PDT by mewzilla (Has the FBI been spying on members of Congress?)
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To: ASOC

You’re right!

What I was picturing was a giant wall across the top Italy.


44 posted on 03/19/2018 11:46:18 AM PDT by JPJones (More tariffs, less income tax.)
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To: C19fan

If we accept the highly questionable premise that Rome fell because of climate change it shows that climate change is normal and modern CC is NOT necessarily man-made. Might as well say Rome fell because of the Ozone hole.


45 posted on 03/19/2018 12:04:39 PM PDT by Brooklyn Attitude (The first step in ending the war on white people is to recognize it exists.)
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To: Salman
Concur. Rome is still there. The administrative structure of the Western empire fled to Ravenna and dissipated thereafter, but Rome abided. That is, after all, what Gibbon was really writing about.

Yes, plenty of challenges, not the least of which was the capture of the North African bread-basket that supported the city's welfare state not by Climate Change but by the Vandals. Climate change certainly turned that into the arid area we know today but nowhere near quickly enough to explain the events of the 5th century.

The empire was too big and too tired to continue in its present state, which was recognized in the early 4th century and was the reason that Constantine was trotted off to build Constantinople on the bones of Byzantium. Which, as others on the thread as well as Gibbon pointed out, lasted another millennium. What "fell" in 1453 was the same as "fell" in 476: nothing at all like what was before.

46 posted on 03/19/2018 12:24:08 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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"The speed with which we're recapitulating the decline and fall of Rome is impressive," opined the conservative commentator Bill Kristol,

maybe Kristol is thinking that Rome had sleazebag political hangers-on too.... guys like Kristol....

47 posted on 03/19/2018 12:40:02 PM PDT by Pelham (California, a subsidiary of Mexico, Inc.)
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To: C19fan

When Rome fell, the chief culprits were corrupt Patricians bringing barbarians into the Empire as cheap labor, wimpy Romans shirking their duty in the legions, corrupt politicians, insane Emperors, and excessive government spending.

Sound familiar?


48 posted on 03/19/2018 2:10:39 PM PDT by Little Ray (Freedom Before Security!)
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Damn, I didn’t know there were SUV’ s back then.

5.56mm


49 posted on 03/19/2018 2:12:55 PM PDT by M Kehoe
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Most Roman historians are laughing their asses off at this garbage......


50 posted on 03/19/2018 2:22:24 PM PDT by cranked
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Yup, those German barbarians at the gates had nothing to do with the fall of Rome...


51 posted on 03/19/2018 2:38:04 PM PDT by Popman (My sin was great, Your love was greater  What could separate us now…)
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