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New Machine Guns on the Horizon for Special Operators
National Defense ^ | 25 May, 2018 | Yasmin Tadjdeh

Posted on 05/26/2018 9:06:40 AM PDT by MtnClimber

TAMPA, Fla. — Special Operations Command is planning to release solicitations next year for machine guns that are expected to give warfighters expanded capability, a SOCOM official said May 24. One is a lightweight medium machine gun that must provide commandos with a 2,000-meter engagement capability, be of comparable weight to the current M240B weapon and offer advanced barrel, suppressor and thermal mitigation technologies, said Lt. Col. Mark Owens, program manager for ammunition and weapons at program executive office SOF warrior. “We’re not looking for the same barrel technology in this body of weapons that we have seen in the last 50 years of machine guns,” he said during a panel discussion at the National Defense Industrial Association’s annual Special Operations Forces Industry Conference in Tampa, Florida. “We’re looking for a barrel that has higher endurance, higher operational ability, greater availability for sustained fires." There will be requests for proposals for the system’s optics, pintle mount, tripod, suppressor and gun, he noted.

An RFP is slated for the second quarter of fiscal year 2019 with a contract award planned for the fourth quarter of fiscal year 2019, Owens said. The program executive office plans to use an indefinite-delivery/indefinite-quantity contract for the effort and has set aside $49 million in funding.

(Excerpt) Read more at nationaldefensemagazine.org ...


TOPICS: Military/Veterans
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1 posted on 05/26/2018 9:06:40 AM PDT by MtnClimber
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To: MtnClimber

Hmmm 2,000 meters sounds good.


2 posted on 05/26/2018 9:07:10 AM PDT by MtnClimber (For photos of Colorado scenery and wildlife, click on my screen name for my FR home page.)
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To: MtnClimber

Range about 1.3 miles.

Aim a little high.


3 posted on 05/26/2018 9:14:53 AM PDT by lurk
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To: lurk

Think it will be a 300 Win Mag?


4 posted on 05/26/2018 9:23:09 AM PDT by MtnClimber (For photos of Colorado scenery and wildlife, click on my screen name for my FR home page.)
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To: MtnClimber

MG 08/15 - range 2000 meters effective, 3500 meters maximum. 8mm. At 40 pounds, it would need to shed a little weight to get town to the M240B’s roughly 28 pounds. Swapping out the wood for lightweight composite would be a good start. Or modifying it to air cooling would easily meet the weight (see the 08/19.

So it sounds what they are looking for was readily available 100 years ago.


5 posted on 05/26/2018 9:26:32 AM PDT by PAR35
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To: MtnClimber

A shot in the dark here. Would titanium enhance barrel endurance at a cost that is sustainable for military purchases?


6 posted on 05/26/2018 9:29:50 AM PDT by Rebelbase
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To: MtnClimber

If brittleness issues could be overcome, ceramics could provide long rates of sustained fire and eliminate corrosion concerns.


7 posted on 05/26/2018 9:49:50 AM PDT by fso301
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To: MtnClimber

2000m effective range in a M240 sized package is a tall order. It has been a challenge to keep the ragheads beyond the range of their weapons without having to haul a M2 or Javelin.


8 posted on 05/26/2018 9:56:10 AM PDT by centurion316 (Back from exile from 4/2016 until 4/2018.)
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To: Rebelbase

Carbon wrapped barrel.


9 posted on 05/26/2018 10:00:38 AM PDT by MCF (If my home can't be my Castle, then it will be my Alamo.)
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To: MtnClimber

From the original article: “[and takes] advantage of the huge ranges the 6.5mm Creedmoor offers,” Owens said.”

When did that become an issue round?


10 posted on 05/26/2018 10:01:12 AM PDT by 43north (Its hard to stop a man when he knows what's right and he keeps on coming.)
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To: MtnClimber
"“We’re looking for something that has good fightable ergonomics, very highly reliable, built-in recoil mitigation technologies … [and takes] advantage of the huge ranges the 6.5mm Creedmoor offers,” Owens said."

Sounds like they are in the 6.5mm Creedmoor camp.

11 posted on 05/26/2018 10:02:19 AM PDT by freeandfreezing
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To: fso301

I wonder if sabot rounds could be used to reduce friction and eliminate metal fouling?


12 posted on 05/26/2018 10:03:32 AM PDT by MtnClimber (For photos of Colorado scenery and wildlife, click on my screen name for my FR home page.)
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To: fso301

How about a ceramic barrel liner? Don’t have time to look up the melting points, but I wonder if a metal barrel could be cast, or even forged, around a ceramic liner. Would be complicated and expensive, but maybe worth it.


13 posted on 05/26/2018 10:10:07 AM PDT by chrisser
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To: MCF
Carbon wrapped barrel.

Yep. They're doing some pretty amazing heat dissipation tricks with those in the AR world. Of course, that's a $900 barrel, so the government probably couldn't afford it. Yes, that is a joke...

14 posted on 05/26/2018 10:14:40 AM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: 43north
When did that become an issue round?

When this weapon is adopted?

15 posted on 05/26/2018 10:18:55 AM PDT by MileHi (Liberalism is an ideology of parasites, hypocrites, grievance mongers, victikms, and control freaks.)
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To: Rebelbase

Heat. Warping would be a issue with Titanium. Great for paintball barrels, though.


16 posted on 05/26/2018 10:33:08 AM PDT by Theoria (I should never have surrendered. I should have fought until I was the last man alive)
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To: PAR35

Any cartridge of that power such as .308 would easily go that far. Almost all military rifles of those days had volley sights or similar out to 2000 meters, or more.


17 posted on 05/26/2018 10:51:49 AM PDT by buwaya
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To: 43north

It’s in the works right now.


18 posted on 05/26/2018 10:53:36 AM PDT by Bulwyf
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To: 43north
"From the original article: “[and takes] advantage of the huge ranges the 6.5mm Creedmoor offers,” Owens said.”

When did that become an issue round?"

USSOCOM (US Special Operations COMmand) has selected it for it's Precision Intermediate Caliber (PIC). It may well go on to supplant the 5.56, since a major motivation for the PIC is to penetrate first-tier body armor.

USSOCOM Adopts 6.5 Creedmoor


19 posted on 05/26/2018 11:05:31 AM PDT by PreciousLiberty (Make America Greater Than Ever!)
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Pardon me for asking a stupid question, but I was taught, “the only stupid question is the one you don’t ask.”

Why the reinvention of cartridges? Anymore, it seems rifle buffs neck down and blow out the shoulder of some existing cartridge, then say they can load it with anything from H4831 to Cream of Wheat soaked in nitroglycerin and have magic bullets emerge from the barrel.

Clearly, I’ve missed something. And once again, please pardon me for asking, but I figured if anyone had some answers, it would be FReepers.


20 posted on 05/26/2018 12:49:40 PM PDT by Sam_Damon
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