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Your Recycling Gets Recycled, Right? Maybe, or Maybe Not
NY Times ^ | 5/30/18 | Livia Albeck-Ripka

Posted on 05/30/2018 3:41:04 AM PDT by Haiku Guy

Oregon is serious about recycling. Its residents are accustomed to dutifully separating milk cartons, yogurt containers, cereal boxes and kombucha bottles from their trash to divert them from the landfill. But this year, because of a far-reaching rule change in China, some of the recyclables are ending up in the local dump anyway.

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Theresa Byrne, who lives in Salem, Ore., said the city took too long to inform residents that most plastics and egg and milk cartons were now considered garbage. “I was angry,” she said. “I believe in recycling.”

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In particular, exports of scrap plastic to China, valued at more than $300 million in 2015, totaled just $7.6 million in the first quarter of this year, down 90 percent from a year earlier, Mr. Pickard said. Other countries have stepped in to accept more plastics, but total scrap plastic exports are still down by 40 percent this year, he said.

“There is a significant disruption occurring to U.S. recycling programs,” Mr. Biderman said. “The concern is if this is the new normal.”

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China no longer wants to handle our trash.
1 posted on 05/30/2018 3:41:04 AM PDT by Haiku Guy
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To: Haiku Guy

The best-laid plans of Democrats and liberals often go astray.


2 posted on 05/30/2018 3:45:42 AM PDT by Fai Mao (There is no rule of law in the US until The PIAPS is executed.)
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To: Haiku Guy
So WE should be making the crap they used to make with our own crap.

What's the problem ?

3 posted on 05/30/2018 3:46:03 AM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true, I have no proof, but they're true)
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To: Haiku Guy

I’m tired of being an unpaid trash sorter to make others feel good about themselves.


4 posted on 05/30/2018 3:46:18 AM PDT by wally_bert (I didn't get where I am today by selling ice cream tasting of bookends, pumice stone & West Germany)
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To: Haiku Guy

The religion of recycling is not what it seems, lol.


5 posted on 05/30/2018 3:50:28 AM PDT by LongWayHome
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To: wally_bert

Look for the triangle.

A lot Plastics can be turned back into petroleum bases. That is encouraging but I doubt anybody in the u.s. is doing it, however I have seen videos of people in Africa and other poor areas in the world are converting plastic bottles Etc in back into a petroleum product and I guess one can burn it as fuel for their cars or perhaps cooking. Ain’t nothing wrong with that, the oceans are so full of plastics right now hopefully we can recover some of that garbage and put it in a plastic landfill somewhere but it is messing up the oceanic ecosystem at a cellular level. And anybody that doesn’t understand that needs to get an education cuz it’s going to be a major problem in the future. I think more so than air pollution.


6 posted on 05/30/2018 3:51:34 AM PDT by Clutch Martin (Hot sauce aside, every culture has its pancakes, just as every culture has its noodle.)
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To: knarf
What's the problem ?

I think the problem is that it costs us more to sort and clean the stuff than it does in China.

7 posted on 05/30/2018 3:52:30 AM PDT by Right Wing Assault (Kill: google,TWITTER,FACEBOOK,WaPo,Hollywd,CNN,NFL,BLM,CAIR,Antifa,SPLC,ESPN,NPR,NBA)
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To: Haiku Guy

The last I heard the same was true of paper- the demand is very low so much of that set aside for recycling is sent to the landfill anyway.


8 posted on 05/30/2018 3:54:09 AM PDT by OldNukeDaddy
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When I lived in DC for a while, back when Marion Barry was mayor, they had garbage cops that were handing out warnings and citations for not seperating out the trash and recyclables. The trash guys would come around and throw it all in the same truck proving that it was just a scam. Not sure if they still do this today.


9 posted on 05/30/2018 3:58:13 AM PDT by newnhdad (Our new motto: USA, it was fun while it lasted.)
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To: Haiku Guy

PBS had this covered 25 years ago when they traced plastic that was ‘recycled’ by Americans going to Taiwan on huge ships, where it was burned for fuel.

This is NOTHING NEW.


10 posted on 05/30/2018 4:00:05 AM PDT by BobL (I shop at Walmart and eat at McDonald's...I just don't tell anyone)
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To: Haiku Guy

I have been told by a knowledgeable engineer that all our trash powers a large power generating plant 1 county over. Yet we have to ‘play’ with our garbage. Which I don’t do. We’re allowed to use black opaque bags. Which I use.


11 posted on 05/30/2018 4:01:29 AM PDT by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you)
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To: wally_bert

Same here. If recycling made economic sense, there would be companies eager to pay me for my (unsorted) garbage.


12 posted on 05/30/2018 4:01:44 AM PDT by HartleyMBaldwin
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To: Haiku Guy

Some years back our local paper published a story revealing that the volume of recyclables trucked to the county recycling facility exceeded the capacity of the facility.

So a good portion of the recyclables are then re-trucked from the recycling facility to the solid waste facility and end up buried in the county land fill.

But the county government was still spending money promoting increased residential recycling.


13 posted on 05/30/2018 4:05:46 AM PDT by Iron Munro (If Illegals Voted Republican 66 Million Democrats Would Be Screaming "Build The Wall !")
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To: Haiku Guy

I have always steadfastly refused to recycle.

It is against my principles to give away raw materials for free.


14 posted on 05/30/2018 4:24:40 AM PDT by papertyger (I’m watching what happens to Tommy Robinson.)
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To: Haiku Guy

not much recycleing happens here despite the fancy transfer station.

The self righteous dutifully wash out their mikl container. and hand in their bottles and cans.

all of it goes to the burner, but lefties don’t want to face that truth.

Also forcing people to do the will of the state in small matters in their lives makes it easier to make them do more and more... think about it

when gas prices are low cardboard gets recycled

otherwise it is metal and electronics.

nothing else.


15 posted on 05/30/2018 4:31:29 AM PDT by Chickensoup (Leftists today are speaking as if they plan to commence to commit genocide against conservatives.)
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Other communities, like Grants Pass, Ore., home to about 37,000 people, are continuing to encourage their residents to recycle as usual, but the materials are winding up in landfills anyway. Local waste managers said they were concerned that if they told residents to stop recycling, it could be hard to get them to start again.

So residents are charged more to pay for separate pickup of "recyclables", they waste hot water washing out plastic containers, sort them out to the proper bins, then it all ends up in the same place at the dump.

The recycling company wins with a fat city contract. The city wins with higher collection fees. Well, two out of three ain't bad.

16 posted on 05/30/2018 4:47:39 AM PDT by Flick Lives (Suddenly someone'll say, like, plate, or shrimp, or plate o' shrimp out of the blue, no explanation.)
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To: Haiku Guy

We “casually” recycle. We have a separate bin, which we pay extra for from our collection company.

We are going to quit, though.... after noticing that BOTH bins go in the same truck in the same way.

A lot of “recycling” programs are just eco-scams.


17 posted on 05/30/2018 4:51:21 AM PDT by clee1 (We use 43 muscles to frown, 17 to smile, and 2 to pull a trigger. I'm lazy and I'm tired of smiling.)
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To: Haiku Guy

“Still, across much of the United States, including most major cities, recycling is continuing as usual.”

The article is wrong on that statement and how it is wrong also means the article’s focus on mainly China as the cause of the recycling problem misses what is really wrong, and not merely in the U.S. Pacific Northwest - OVER SUPPLY of goods put out for recycling that in many places now exceed what the end-users of the material can use.

Collectors and distributors of goods disposed of for recycling are finding they cannot get as much for the goods because supply is so much the buyers of the material won’t pay what they use to. Some municipalities are facing higher recycling charges needed to keep their recycling process in business. Even then, expect more landfill dumping of goods put out for recycling.

The good thing of recycling is being done more than ever now, and done so much that many more buyers of the material cannot use all collectors can deliver. They won’t pay the collectors what they use to, so the revenue vs profit margins of the collectors is shrinking, and to some the recycling has become not worth it. Cheaper to not do it at all, no extra loads to pick up on different days, pretending you’ll get your monies worth selling it - just take it to the landfill with the regular garbage.


18 posted on 05/30/2018 4:59:15 AM PDT by Wuli
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I remember watching the local news out of Philly back in the 1980s. The news heads got word that some recyclers were dumping old newspaper and phone books in the landfill. The news chicks were at the landfill ready to pounce on them. One driver said to the little news girl: "lady,if you find somebody who is buying this stuff I'll bring it there." End of the story.
19 posted on 05/30/2018 4:59:53 AM PDT by 4yearlurker ("There stands mother under the oleanders,open the windows." A dying cowboys last words,1879.)
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To: LongWayHome
Most items for recycling cost way more to recycle than to manufacture from scratch.

It's an economic thing.

But then liberals don't understand the basics of economics.

They've got their heads up their asses in la-la land.

20 posted on 05/30/2018 5:03:02 AM PDT by HotHunt
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