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Freak Accident of Chemistry Sunk Russia's Aircraft-Killer Submarine
National Interest ^ | Jun 24, 2018 | Kyle Mizokami

Posted on 06/24/2018 7:41:31 AM PDT by Eddie01

Kursk had suffered two massive explosions and sank in 354 feet of water at a twenty-degree vertical angle. An explosion had ripped through the front of the hull, tearing a terrible gash along the upper bow. Still, at least twenty-three of the 118 crew had survived the sinking, as a note penned by one of the ship’s senior officers, Lt. Capt. Dmitri Kolesnikov, indicated. The note was dated exactly two hours after the initial explosion. Rescue efforts by Russian—and later British and Norwegian—teams failed to rescue the survivors.

A Russian inquiry into the accident concluded that one of the Kursk’s Type 65-76A torpedoes had exploded. A faulty weld in a torpedo or damage to a torpedo during movement had caused it to leak hydrogen peroxide. Like many torpedoes, the Type 65 used hydrogen peroxide as an underwater fuel. Unfortunately, hydrogen peroxide becomes explosive when it comes into contact with a catalyst, such as organic compounds or fire. A similar accident is thought to have sank HMS Sidon, a Royal Navy submarine, in 1955.

Conspiracy theories regarding the sinking of the Kursk are rife on the Russian Internet. Many allege that nearby American attack submarines sank the Kursk with Mark 48 torpedoes. While technically possible (in absence of the evidence of an internal torpedo explosion) there is no remotely plausible motive for such an attack during a period of good U.S.-Russian relations. Why attack the Kursk? Why was only the Kursk sunk, and not the Kuznetsov and Pyotr Velikiy? Why would the Russian government cover up the attack?

In the end, the sinking of the Kursk appears to have been caused by a simple, freak accident of chemistry. The tragedy only reinforces how dangerous life aboard a submarine really is, and how important safety is in the underwater realm. Finally, the rush to conspiracy is a warning that, had this incident occurred during a genuine crisis, such an accident could cause a dangerous escalation that could lead to war.


TOPICS: Chit/Chat; Military/Veterans
KEYWORDS: accident; kursk; maritime; russia; submarine
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1 posted on 06/24/2018 7:41:31 AM PDT by Eddie01
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To: Eddie01

God rest the souls of those not rescued and grant comfort to their families


2 posted on 06/24/2018 7:51:12 AM PDT by McGavin999 ("The press is impotent when it abandons itself to falsehood."Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Eddie01
Concentrated hydrogen peroxide (the Germans called it T-Stoff) is super-dangerous, just like many other rocket fuels (such as liquid oxygen, nitrogen tetroxide, or the various hydrazine molecules).
3 posted on 06/24/2018 7:52:02 AM PDT by Steely Tom ([Seth Rich] == [the Democrat's John Dean])
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To: Eddie01

Guess the collision with a US sub theory has been forgotten


4 posted on 06/24/2018 7:52:14 AM PDT by BenLurkin (The above is not a statement of fact. It is either satire or opinion. Or both.)
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To: Eddie01

No such thing as a “freek accident of chemistry”. You mix the right chemicals and boom! Hydrogen peroxide has quite a safety record. The Meshershmit ME-163 used it as a propellant. At least one had a tank rupture and dissolved the pilot.


5 posted on 06/24/2018 7:57:57 AM PDT by CrazyIvan (A gentleman arms himself for the protection of others.)
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To: Eddie01

Interesting hull shape.


6 posted on 06/24/2018 7:58:17 AM PDT by headstamp 2 (My "White Privilege" is my work ethic.)
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To: BenLurkin

“Guess the collision with a US sub theory has been forgotten”

not only that theory- there were letters penned by the surviving crew... no mention of an attack (by the U.S. navy or other sub)


7 posted on 06/24/2018 8:02:23 AM PDT by mj1234
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To: Steely Tom

I used to work with missiles (MGM-52 Lance) fueled with UDMH (unsymmetrical dymethylhydrazine) and a IRFNA (Inhibited Red Fuming Nitric Acid) oxidizer. Crazy stuff. Explosive and poisonous as hell. Even rust would set it off.


8 posted on 06/24/2018 8:07:15 AM PDT by SJSAMPLE
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To: McGavin999

Posted for reference.

My sentiments exactly.


9 posted on 06/24/2018 8:08:28 AM PDT by Eddie01
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To: SJSAMPLE

I guess I should have paid attention in chemistry class. There a lot of stuff out there that makes the mentos in Diet Coke look pretty tame.


10 posted on 06/24/2018 8:11:50 AM PDT by Vermont Lt
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To: Vermont Lt

I expect we will soon here from someone causing a hydrogen explosion by trying to home brew the ‘hydrogen enriched’ drinking water that’s all the rage these days.


11 posted on 06/24/2018 8:16:09 AM PDT by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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To: Eddie01
For all practical purposes, a torpedo is just a bomb with an engine attached. The engine needs fuel, and the fuel needs oxygen to burn. You can't get it from the air if you're underwater, so an oxidizer is supplied as well.

That's what peroxide is.

So you have, in essence, a binary explosive. Combine the two ingredients and you get a "boom." Hopefully, it's a controlled "boom," but if not, you just set off a bomb in your submarine.

12 posted on 06/24/2018 8:22:41 AM PDT by IronJack (A)
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To: Eddie01

The torpedo was one from a group where 6 of 10 were failed for poor welds. The torpedo was never inspected as it was a practice torpedo with no warhead and was deemed unnecessary of inspection.

This was not to be blamed on chemistry but on human arrogance and economy.

Russia was the last remaining force to use HDP torpedos and promptly removed them from service after destroying a 1.2 billion dollar submarine with false economy saving a flawed torpedo.


13 posted on 06/24/2018 8:23:35 AM PDT by Ndorfin
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One of my former students was aboard a sub that happened to be in the neighborhood when this happened. There were rumors at the time that his sub had to have repairs in Scotland afterwards, but naturally he had nothing to say about any of it.

I am struck by how serious depth in water becomes even over what seems a trivial distance. Not 400 feet deep and rescue was impossible.


14 posted on 06/24/2018 8:24:55 AM PDT by hanamizu
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To: SJSAMPLE
I used to work with missiles (MGM-52 Lance) fueled with UDMH (unsymmetrical dymethylhydrazine) and a IRFNA (Inhibited Red Fuming Nitric Acid) oxidizer. Crazy stuff. Explosive and poisonous as hell. Even rust would set it off.

Wow, that brings back memories.

I haven't heard of the "Lance" missile since I was a kid, and was crazy about rockets and missiles. I used to get up early on Saturday mornings to watch The Big Picture on TV. I had a poster showing all the Army's rockets (Honest John, Sergeant, etc.).

I'm glad you made it through that experience without being injured or maimed. The Army must have given you guys extremely good training (which probably included scaring the bejeezus out of you with ghastly films), although I've heard of a few horrific accidents (one in particular having been caused by a static discharge).

15 posted on 06/24/2018 8:26:50 AM PDT by Steely Tom ([Seth Rich] == [the Democrat's John Dean])
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To: CrazyIvan

Could just have easily been the C-Stoff that dissolved the pilot, their nastiness mutually exceeded each other...


16 posted on 06/24/2018 8:42:54 AM PDT by null and void (Social justice warriors, killing the trees that produce the fruits of liberty.)
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To: hanamizu

$1.2 billion and they couldn’t put a tow hook on it?


17 posted on 06/24/2018 8:48:20 AM PDT by Bartholomew Roberts
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To: Steely Tom

You must be referring to the Pershing accident in Germany. Killed two, IIRC.

Strangely, solid fuel rockets are much safer to store, stage and fire.


18 posted on 06/24/2018 9:19:57 AM PDT by SJSAMPLE
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To: headstamp 2

Look up a blueprint. It’s a double hull design. Very tough. Speculation is that one could survive a single torpedo hit.


19 posted on 06/24/2018 9:20:31 AM PDT by CrazyIvan (A gentleman arms himself for the protection of others.)
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To: SJSAMPLE
The one I was thinking of was caused by a solid rocket motor that was being tested by a crewmember. He was using a vendor-supplied test set to check continuity and electrical characteristics of an igniter squib when the propellant fired; since he was standing at the open end of the exhaust nozzle, the results were fatal.

I'm not sure what the missile type was, but I think it was a Nike.

This story was told to me by an older co-worker who worked on the test box, many years ago.

20 posted on 06/24/2018 9:38:51 AM PDT by Steely Tom ([Seth Rich] == [the Democrat's John Dean])
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