New JFK Assassination Information

The released documents providing insight into the CIA don't say anything about a plot to kill Kennedy. You think they covered their tracks because there's no evidence. It's much more reasonable to say there's no evidence because they didn't do it. What you are doing is starting with a preferred conclusion and trying to make it fit.

"Lies and inconsistencies" and "false denials". Again, it's like you know what the evidence should say, so when it doesn't it's lies. That's not rational.

"The fact has been proven repeatedly and unequivocally that the CIA has withheld material evidence regarding the JFK murder for decades, intentionally deceiving investigators. Can you admit that?"

Name some material evidence the CIA withheld regarding the murder. Not about some unrelating thing they didn't want to release, but something directly about the murder itself.

"The deceit has primarily been around the agency’s relationship to the DRE in the time of LHO and its close monitoring of LHO leading up to the assassination. If Joannides work - setting up the DRE and his field agents or assets was ‘unrelated’ to jfkA, why all the lies for over half a century?"

See? As I thought. The agency's relationship to the DRE has nothing to do with Kennedy's shooting. It's no mystery why they wouldn't want it out. It was a secret. It's what the CIA does. That does not mean it was part of a plot to kill Kennedy.

If you want to show there was a plot to kill Kennedy you have to have evidence of it. All this stuff that gets kicked around is about other things that conspiracists just think must be related somehow, but they can never make that connection.

First of all my many pardons on my tardy response to our JFK discussion.

First, many people have different opinions on what happened that sad day in November in Dallas. It's became like a Rorschach test. And that many people of various backgrounds view this act through their own prism of personal experiences so that so many have different opinions are colored with their biases.
My own father believe Johnson was behind this assassination and very corrupt, wanted badly to be president and hated the Kennedy Brothers and it happened on his own turf.
One must not exclude the psychology of human nature reacts chaotically and not in a “orderly fashion “ (hence my jaded view on eye witness reports days and weeks after the act and the effect of the media and conversations that can corrupt, honestly held memories.)

My experiences with weapons doesn't compare with those of Mr. Donahue's and others as my education with weapons are “farm Raised’ and my expertise is with deer hunting and varmint control on our farm. I'm fairly acquainted with 30.30 Winchester, 30.06 Remington, 12 gage Browning, Marlin .22 Magnum Lever action. And a old Japanese WW2 Arisaka rifle Type 99 rifle Chambered in 7.7mm cartridge and a few pistols.

I have never been in the military. I have never fired a weapon in angry and never at a human being. And never in an area surrounded in a “concrete valley”, i.e. Delee Plaza.

That said I find people like Mr Donohue interesting and respect his opinions to a certain extent.

I think our differences of opinion depend on how much each person decides to put “weight” on certain elements involved.

In his case, he doesn't dispute Oswald was at the floor of the School book depository nor that he fired and hit the president in the neck. He just believes it Oswald's “second bullet” that hit Kennedy in the neck and passed through to hit Connolly.

The bullet he says hit JFK in his head shattered and the 6.5mm bullet from Oswald's Mannlicher-Carcano.

Just from my experience of deer hunting, I've had bullets of the 30-30 and the 30 06 kill and a dear that shatter in a few pieces to rounds from the Jap rifle that passed through that was “pristine” slightly indented, with only a bit of lead poking out the rear a chip out the nose. (it went the deer's neck and stopped on the other side not breaking the hide of the other side.) Other rounds hit backbone and shattered in a few pieces of various sides. Others expanded and lost bits as it traveled it's course through the deer’s flesh
Bullet can act in strange way, each can act differently under different conditions, the age of the bullet, how well made and if adulterated. As well where it hits and what angle
I must say I wasn't doing a scientific intensive investigation as I was more concerned in field dressing the carcass and hauling it back to my truck so my opinion is just that. with the rifles and bullet I've used over the past forty something years.

I once saw a “Myth Busters episode where they fired various weapons into the deep end of a pool and retrieved the bullets from the floor of the pool. Wish i could remember exactly which cartridges they used but the used everything from pistols, to a 1850 style Springfield Civil War musket to to a Barnett's fifty caliber sniper rifle. What I remembered was the higher velocity rifles shattered on impact on the surface of the water while the lower velocity muskets were more likely to remain intact and “hit” the underwater target. (They were testing the myth that diving underwater make it less likely to escape unharmed from pursuers by diving underwater.)

Anyhow, please forgive me for my tardy response and my (increasing faulty memory) for things I've haven't had to recall for many many years.

Thank you.

Thanks for the detailed explanation of your position on this and your background. I would not describe myself as a firearms expert either, but we do own several dozen vintage firearms and I cast my own projectiles and reload cartridges for all of them and come up with my own cartridge “recipes” through careful calculation and experimentation.

I sometimes load surplus full metal jacketed projectiles into cartridges for “high powered” rifles that we own. But because I cast my own bullets, I prefer to shoot into targets mounted on bullet traps or backstops so that I can reuse the lead. The jacketed bullets that I use do not disintegrate when they hit something if they were originally “harvested” from surplus military cartridges. And they are behave in a predictable manner under the controlled manner in which I use them.

I do not know what type of projectiles you are using when deer hunting and I am sure that many types of projectiles used in 30 06 often break into several pieces when they hit a solid object. Few people use “battle” projectiles in their cartridges when deer hunting; these would tend to make much more predictable damage and not break into pieces. This is by design. Even the lead alloy bullets that I heat treat after casting to use into higher velocity firearms do not typically break into pieces.

I have never heard that Oswald cast his own projectiles or loaded his own cartridges and I doubt whether any commercial cartridges were available for this relatively obscure surplus military rifle. The cartridges that he was using were almost certainly surplus military with a “heavy” full metal jacketed projectile that was designed not to fragment. In my experience this type of projectile behaves in a predictable way which makes it very unlikely that it would have broken into many tiny pieces when it hit Kennedy's scull. His brain going missing adds to the appearance of a cover-up.

My wife sets up displays honoring veterans at museums, schools, for military and veterans gatherings and other public occasions. As part of her work she has interviewed hundreds of veterans. One of them was a nurse who was working at Bethesda Naval Hospital the day Kennedy's body was brought there. My wife did not know this and was not questioning her with the intention of getting information on this subject. But her description of the event and the way the hospital was overrun with secret service and federal law enforcement personnel was quite unbelievable, especially considering that his body was brought there for an autopsy.

There was no apparent reason for the heavy handed scene and unusual activities she described except for illicit purposes. The nurse did not know the reason for the sequence of events, but it made her and many of her coworkers suspicious for the rest of their lives. The purpose of the interview had nothing to do with the Kennedy assassination, but my wife got an earful.

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