Posted on 09/18/2018 12:21:04 AM PDT by Jonty30
I was a Facebook friend of Desmond Ford. To those who are not familiar with him, he was disfellowshipped from the SDA church his disagreeing with the Sanctuary doctrine. The church believes that Christ separately went into the temple in Heaven to individually declare us saved or unsaved. His position something along the lines of that happening at the cross, which I agree with. The whole Jewish system of sacrifice, laid out step by step, was all done at once at the Cross.
So, anyways back to my interesting event. We were discussing the ordination of wonen, of which I'm against because the Bible teaches the women are not to have authority over men. I'm happy to hear them give a sermon, but the Bible is pretty clear on this issue.
They brought up the issue of equality, to which I pointed out that equality is a position of liberal Christianity, which is counterfeit Christianity. I also pointed out that every church and denomination that has accepted the ordination of women have also gone on to no longer consider sexual perversions, like homosexuality, to be an issue that should be condemned.
Then I got blocked.
I'm not concerned about getting blocked, but I am concerned about how deceived the church body, as a whole is and that It is no longer a fit vessel for the Gospel. To me, it is an indication how close to the falling away we really are and how close to the end of probation we may be.
Somebody blocked you on Facebook and you found it interesting enough to start a thread?
It was why they blocked me that I thought was interesting. It was an indication of how much part of the world the church has become.
Which I think are worth watching, because a lot of people are ignorant of what they are, and seem to believe that it's just another ordinary Christian denomination, like any other mainline Protestant denomination.
FWIW, I'm not saying there aren't believers within SDA. And there are noble members whom I have a lot of admiration for, e.g. Ben Carson, Desmond Doss.
But generally speaking, I think it's a bad idea for Christians to remain within false religions, or listen to false teachers who pervert scripture.
Prior to the creation of the SDA church, no denomination believed in the Second Coming of Christ. Now that doctrine is a mainstream one.
I’m more concerned with how many SDA’s are socialists. Their doctrines, with the exception, of the Sanctuary doctrine, is pretty Biblical.
However, socialism is the deception they are allowing themselves to be deceived by and they don’t see it.
I think perverting scripture, believing in false prophets, etc., is a lot more important-in the grand scheme of themes-than whether these churches are becoming Episcopalianism Lite.
Accepting false doctrines are how churches fall. I don’t think that we are condemned for not being able to discern truth from error, but that doesn’t change that, when you accept any form of false gospel, you put yourself at risk of being deceived entirely.
I wonder how Deborah judged without having authority over men?
Most English versions of the Nicene Creed include the following statements: "...he ascended into heaven and is seated at the right hand of the Father. He will come again in his glory to judge the living and the dead, and his kingdom will have no end. ... We look for the resurrection of the dead, and the life of the world to come."
The Nicene Creed was composed and adopted in 325 AD.
The churches were not accepting of this doctrine by The time the 1800’s were around. The church did a lot of falling away since 325.
God using whatever means to lead does not make it the norm. Can you show me, aside from Deborah, where there is an allowance for women to have authority over men in the church?
Around the 4 minute mark.
There is also a difference in authority in the earthly realm and in the church
Huh? That is a false assertion. The church has always believed in a 2nd advent of Christ. It is plain in Scripture and that has always been the confession on the church.
I find it unconsciounable you were blocked. This from churches who pretend to teach forgiveness is unreal. I too was persecuted by Churches in manners no unlike that of the methods and concerns of the Pharisees. Strangely it has not made my faith weaker, but quite the contrary, it proved to me that if God came vulnerable and fragile in the flesh as Christ did and said the same righteous things , He would indeed be crucified. It proved to me the existence of Christ.
The SDA is really weird to me, extreme in a way.
I already get annoyed at pagans who come to Christianity all of a sudden by magic interested in the Old Testament when the same pagans could care less about the Old Testament before Jesus challenged the Jews. For sure there was a fault also amongst Jews in making their knowledge of God an exclusive one and keeping others in the dark so that the downtroden could not figure that they were the authority and inheritors of heaven - and they are since they are witnesses of God’s persecution at the hands of injustice themselves.
Frankly, what is it the business of pagans in the matters of Christ which really are matters belonging to Jews? What is it to them to claim a stake in Christ? It is in great part a matter internal to Jews, and that is it for the most part. He is their prophet or false prophet in the end, and not the pagans’, let alone is the matter of the Old Testament a matter of theirs. The SDA has no legit lineage to it.
Unless one understands the universality of Christ as being persecuted because indeed Son of God, unless one understands the replacement of the possession of the soul with demonic forces by the Holy Spirit to discard petty loves/attractions for true Love, and unless one honors the work and blessings of the Jews prior that as additional testimony of the Father, it boggles the mind to me how one can claim to be a church of authentic lineage, starting with the Catholic Church and on. There is very little humility in those places, and in fact there is much arrogance.
Thou shalt not cross the LGBTQWERTY nor the Sisterhood on Facebook . . .
I think you are reading too much into this.
Facebook has a function that users can employ when they object to something.
There are HUGE numbers of homosexual Facebook users, and part of their activism consists in trying to block anyone who says anything negative about homosexuality.
The same is true for Muslims.
So it’s not really a theological, or ecclesiastical, issue. It’s just a result of the system FB has set up so they can safely say something does not meet their “community standards.” It’s very mechanical, really. No one’s doing a lot of thinking about church issues.
I was reprimanded for posting that I was freaked out by Gay Pride Day, with all the people taking their kids to the parade to see some extremely obscene behavior. It was not even anti-gay.
That said, I agree with you about the church.
Blocked by FB? For how long? What is going on?
was this on your “wall” or in privately exchanged messages?
is your profile public (anyone on the web can see it) or private (only viewable by friends)?
He just got back from a week-long Facebook ban initiated at the behest of his jihadi critics.
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